Google Presence - Page 2

StatisticZ · 09-10-2007, 11:21 AM

I see a link to the site when I search Fortress Forever.. ??

ekiM · 09-10-2007, 12:33 PM

Yeah it is showing up now; I guess someone did something..

PoMo · 09-10-2007, 02:01 PM

Yep, third link now. Maybe it moved up in googles ranking with all those sites now linking to the news page since the launch date was announced. Hell, I even signed up to the forums now rather than lurking in visitor mode.

Schmuck · 09-10-2007, 04:51 PM

I think that there needs to be a general understanding that your web pages don't just randomly appear at the top of a web page search engine. With the amount of raw sites that exist, site owners now have to go through many different forms of manual process to actually 'put' their site on the top of the Google page rank.

The more sites that link to Fortress-Forever as well, the more likelihood they will improve their page rank. So start helping them by linking the site from your own web pages :P

Honestly speaking though, you know that the dev team has been working hard when they haven't actually even spent time on establishing a Google page rank, and put all of their resource and energies into getting the mod out.

Establishing a Google page rank in the gaming world is tough, because there are many mainstream sites to compete against, all with their own unique ways of tricking Google

arsenal · 09-10-2007, 06:21 PM

Yeah it's finally showing up on the first page as the third ranked search result.

On a somewhat related note, how did Black Mesa Source get so popular? I check their website / forums occasionally and there's consistently 400-800 people on there at any given time.

Sure it's an extremely impressive mod but what are they doing that fortress forever is not to gain so much exposure? I don't even think there are 500 active members on these forums.

Atari · 09-10-2007, 06:25 PM

Valve have pimped Black Mesa on Steam a couple of times.

arsenal · 09-10-2007, 06:34 PM

Ah I see. I must have missed those. Has Valve refused to do something similar with FF? I know for a long while even mentions of this mod were disallowed on the steam forums but it was said in the "release" thread that the mod team has had a positive dialogue with Valve.

Defrag · 09-10-2007, 08:14 PM

It's pretty weird, but FF has fluctuated on the google rankings quite a few times. At one point, depending on who googled it, it either showed up at #1 or many, many pages down the list. It was very strange.

BobTheChainsaw · 09-10-2007, 08:14 PM

ValvE even asked the Black Mesa team for a build of the mod.

tu! · 09-10-2007, 08:40 PM

all sp games are overrated like bioshock.

Johnny Mullet · 09-10-2007, 08:45 PM

Some of you may say that META tags do nothing, but I know for a fact they do.
FF META tags need help.

Direhit · 09-10-2007, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet

Some of you may say that META tags do nothing, but I know for a fact they do.
FF META tags need help.

No, actually they don't. Google, Yahoo, MSN and many others ignore them completely. The reason for this is quite simple, meta tags can easily be abused or misused. Major search engine web crawlers use page ranking algorithms amongst other things to rank individual pages as well as a website in whole.

Pixel · 09-10-2007, 09:37 PM

Linking to people to fortress-forever.com with Fortress Forever in the link aka google bombing will put it at top of list.

Atari · 09-10-2007, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defrag

It's pretty weird, but FF has fluctuated on the google rankings quite a few times. At one point, depending on who googled it, it either showed up at #1 or many, many pages down the list. It was very strange.

Depending on server load, search engines will send you to one of several data centers to process your query, during an update of the algorithm, you'll sometimes see different results until things settle down. It's all pretty normal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet

Some of you may say that META tags do nothing, but I know for a fact they do.
FF META tags need help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direhit

No, actually they don't.

You're both forgetting that there are different META tags, not just one (I.e. description/keywords).

The one that is often in dispute is the keywords tag. IIRC Google was the first search engine not to base their results on the keywords tags, as it left rankings wide-open to abuse. Yahoo/MSN etc quickly followed suite and placed much less emphasis on the keywords.

Search engines now mainly use the relevance of inbound links, the keyword density of the page's content, the page title, and the description meta tag. No-one knows for sure that keywords tag is obsolete, I've seen very mild changes in all the main search engines when playing around with them but there are too many factors involved to say with certainty.

Atari · 09-10-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pixel

Linking to people to fortress-forever.com with Fortress Forever in the link aka google bombing will put it at top of list.

With the number of inbound links this site already has, it should be #1. Fact.

(I hate saying fact but it's true here)

Something has gone wrong somewhere down the line, it's just finding out what.

Schmuck · 09-11-2007, 01:47 AM

You make some valid points Atari. I suppose that once FF is out of web buzz phase, and into actual release phase, there'll be a ripple effect of loads more Fortress Forever exposure (because it's out to the general public, not just community who are anticipating it) and then you'll find that most likely the page rank will fix itself up.

Everything · 09-11-2007, 01:57 AM

What? you guys too lazy to type it in the address bar? typing www.fortress-forever.com isn't really hard, plus once you did that you can always go into your history and open it up instead of googling everytime.

But yeah, i suppose google links needs fixin'

Desyphur · 09-11-2007, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny

What? you guys too lazy to type it in the address bar? typing www.fortress-forever.com isn't really hard, plus once you did that you can always go into your history and open it up instead of googling everytime.

But yeah, i suppose google links needs fixin'

Or, ya know, bookmark it.

**squeek.** · 09-11-2007, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desyphur

Or, ya know, bookmark it.

That, or tfc2.com also works (redirect).

Desyphur · 09-11-2007, 02:30 AM

Awesome.

We ARE TFC2. (basically, not a port, not quite a sequel)

09-10-2007, 04:51 PM	#24
Schmuck Comic Relief Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think that there needs to be a general understanding that your web pages don't just randomly appear at the top of a web page search engine. With the amount of raw sites that exist, site owners now have to go through many different forms of manual process to actually 'put' their site on the top of the Google page rank. The more sites that link to Fortress-Forever as well, the more likelihood they will improve their page rank. So start helping them by linking the site from your own web pages :P Honestly speaking though, you know that the dev team has been working hard when they haven't actually even spent time on establishing a Google page rank, and put all of their resource and energies into getting the mod out. Establishing a Google page rank in the gaming world is tough, because there are many mainstream sites to compete against, all with their own unique ways of tricking Google Last edited by Schmuck; 09-10-2007 at 05:11 PM.

09-10-2007, 08:14 PM	#28
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's pretty weird, but FF has fluctuated on the google rankings quite a few times. At one point, depending on who googled it, it either showed up at #1 or many, many pages down the list. It was very strange. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

09-11-2007, 01:57 AM	#37
Everything This is still alive? Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples, FL Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	What? you guys too lazy to type it in the address bar? typing www.fortress-forever.com isn't really hard, plus once you did that you can always go into your history and open it up instead of googling everytime. But yeah, i suppose google links needs fixin' __________________ Steam Profile

09-10-2007, 11:21 AM	#21
StatisticZ My title is... Custom. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tri-State Area Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I see a link to the site when I search Fortress Forever.. ??

09-10-2007, 12:33 PM	#22
ekiM Arrogance is Bliss Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Yeah it is showing up now; I guess someone did something..

09-10-2007, 02:01 PM	#23
PoMo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yep, third link now. Maybe it moved up in googles ranking with all those sites now linking to the news page since the launch date was announced. Hell, I even signed up to the forums now rather than lurking in visitor mode.

09-10-2007, 06:21 PM	#25
arsenal Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah it's finally showing up on the first page as the third ranked search result. On a somewhat related note, how did Black Mesa Source get so popular? I check their website / forums occasionally and there's consistently 400-800 people on there at any given time. Sure it's an extremely impressive mod but what are they doing that fortress forever is not to gain so much exposure? I don't even think there are 500 active members on these forums.

09-10-2007, 06:25 PM	#26
Atari Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Valve have pimped Black Mesa on Steam a couple of times.

09-10-2007, 06:34 PM	#27
arsenal Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ah I see. I must have missed those. Has Valve refused to do something similar with FF? I know for a long while even mentions of this mod were disallowed on the steam forums but it was said in the "release" thread that the mod team has had a positive dialogue with Valve.

09-10-2007, 08:14 PM	#29
BobTheChainsaw Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ValvE even asked the Black Mesa team for a build of the mod.

09-10-2007, 08:40 PM	#30
tu! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	all sp games are overrated like bioshock.

09-10-2007, 08:45 PM	#31
Johnny Mullet Fear the Mullet! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ashtabula, Ohio Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Some of you may say that META tags do nothing, but I know for a fact they do. FF META tags need help.

09-10-2007, 09:37 PM	#33
Pixel if(0>1){printf("broked");} Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Amerika Class/Position: O Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Linking to people to fortress-forever.com with Fortress Forever in the link aka google bombing will put it at top of list.

09-11-2007, 01:47 AM	#36
Schmuck Comic Relief Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You make some valid points Atari. I suppose that once FF is out of web buzz phase, and into actual release phase, there'll be a ripple effect of loads more Fortress Forever exposure (because it's out to the general public, not just community who are anticipating it) and then you'll find that most likely the page rank will fix itself up.

09-11-2007, 02:30 AM	#40
Desyphur OHH! OHHH NOOO! Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Awesome. We ARE TFC2. (basically, not a port, not quite a sequel)

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