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Old 01-20-2010, 06:46 AM   #1
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torrening =/= pirating

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...wow. I can't believe I let my smugness through.
Yea, it's pretty painful to read posts where people get all condescending and self-important. I'm trying to help you justify the moral case for pirating music, and all you can come up with is some smug rebuttal.

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I said I'd looked for a torrent of this album and hadn't found one. Downloading that album via torrent would be pirating. That's the context in which torrenting and piracy occurred in this thread. If you don't understand this, please repeatedly band your head against something sharp and rid the rest of us of your idiocy.
The whole 'torrening =/= pirating' thing sprung up from Etzell's post. The subsequent debate about torrenting and it's relationship to pirating, has very little to do with your original post. Yes, you said you tried torrenting. Etzell then followed up and quoted your post, in which I replied that pirating was NOT exclusive with torrenting, and then I followed up later by saying that torrenting was not exclusive with torrenting. That's a self-evident truism for anyone with experience with torrents and pirating. So, while you're partly right that downloading an album via torrents would be pirating, it's neither here nor there, because I was addressing Etzell's post (and the subsequent debate about torrenting's relationship to pirating; therefore your 'context' you're referring to has nothing to do with my posts), and not yours. Do you understand now?

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If anyone has any further ideas for how to track this album down, they'd be greatly appreciated.
What is the name of the artist/album, I'm sure it's fairly easy to track down if you look in the right places. If you're looking for a legit site, I'd check Lala.com, they seem to have taken over the internet's legit sale of music. If you REALLY want it that bad, you could join a CD swap site like musicboomerang.com, and you can trade it for a CD you currently have. If you want to pirate the album, you can search an FTP using Google operator commands, you can find a music sharing blog (sharez), you can find a music sharing forum (warez), or you can find a music sharing usergroup (UseNet). There's tons of options, but you haven't told us the name of the artist or the album, so it's quite hard to help you.

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im beginning to notice a pattern here with genghis not knowing wtf he is talking about and then telling everyone else in the thread that they dont know what they are talking about.


I understand what I'm talking about just fine. It's not my fault others have a diminished reading comprehension level.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:27 AM   #2
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Can a mod split that post into D&A? I think this is going to get hilarious.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:53 PM   #3
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:18 PM   #4
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Can a mod split that post into D&A? I think this is going to get hilarious.
It was already hilarious when you equated torrenting to pirating, brah.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:21 PM   #5
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Torrenting does not equal pirating.

Pirating equals pirating.

That's... all there is to it.
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:46 PM   #6
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And I don't think anyone is arguing that. I'm saying that torrenting an album is pirating. I don't know how Genghis is contesting that, try as he might.

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Yea, it's pretty painful to read posts where people get all condescending and self-important. I'm trying to help you justify the moral case for pirating music, and all you can come up with is some smug rebuttal.
You still fail to see the irony of this?

And finally, I'm not going to discuss the pirating of this music in a public forum, as it is not the venue for it. But please, do go on Genghis.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:00 PM   #7
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Copying equates to pirating and torrents spread copies of the original copyrighted material. Even if it isn't a whole chunk. Therefore torrenting copywrite material is pirating although torrenting isn't exclusive to pirated aka copywrite material. Many legal torrents of software are available for example, open source linux distros. Or torrenting your original material. Some bands legally spread their music via torrenting. For the most part however torrenting equates to pirating at least in reality. Which is why public torrent trackers or systematically shut down over and over.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:06 PM   #8
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Let's do a quick context review.

FT is trying to download an iTunes exclusive album.

FT states that, in addition to being unable to buy the album from the iTunes store he was unable to find a torrent of the album. IMPLYING HE HAS ATTEMPTED TO PIRATE THE ALBUM.

Genghis comes in and says: "LOL YOU FRAID OF PIRATES"

Others, including FT, assert that isn't the case.

Genghis gets butthurt. Thread goes here. Shitfest commences.
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:16 PM   #9
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Torrenting was pirating in that case, but I think GenghisTron was stating that torrenting is not the only form of pirating, but then people said "Yeah it kinda is" so he assumed they meant torrenting in general was pirating. So, it's one big fucking mistake. But, anyways:

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Old 01-20-2010, 09:19 PM   #10
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My 4 terabytes. . .
Prove it.

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Old 01-20-2010, 09:53 PM   #11
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While the two certainly do not mean the same thing the only thing I can put forward is a simple thought.

If something exists that doesn't belong to you and you take it without paying or exchanging for it (or permission from the owner) then it is stealing. Now that goes for intellectual property as well as physical.

That said, torrenting and pirating are still different things. I also don't totally believe that it's immoral to download some songs off the internet. The reason I don't do it is because I'm that guy that always gets caught with that crap.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:14 PM   #12
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Not to be a dick, but we went over this last page.

Cheers though.
Hmm.
Blah-blah-generic reply about reading comprehension while snidely quoting this:
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I understand what I'm talking about just fine. It's not my fault others have a diminished reading comprehension level.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:53 PM   #13
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I was able to get over 4 tera in 2009 without it and without sharez and all high qualit flac. With sharez it can be hard to get good full album sets with all the trimmings.
PROVE IT.

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Old 01-20-2010, 11:53 PM   #14
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Hmm.
Blah-blah-generic reply about reading comprehension while snidely quoting this:
Why must you consistently cause conflict. Is your life that boring?

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I moved the 4 noted posts into here, so you can keep argueing about it, without derailing the thread where FT is asking for help, and people are actually trying to help.

The other option was handing out infractions... If you have a problem with it... raise a concern here.
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Why must you consistently cause conflict. Is your life that boring?
Perhaps he's gently but firmly pointing out that your argument would look much better if you exhibited half the quality's you bitch at me for not having.
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