Take a gander at 'lake'

o_imbrifer · 05-23-2005, 07:12 AM

This is the CTF map I have been working on recently. I'd say its a little under half done - some of the major brushwork remains, but I'm also moving on to the details (detail work, props, retexturing), and the skybox has yet to be done. I wanted community input, however, so...

Here are the pics:
First floor lobby
Side view of the base
Flagroom entrance
The Flagroom
Roof to Flagroom
Flagroom to Roof

It is a relatively small map (by FF standards) built for LAN play. It will have the 'lockdown' feature as discussed in these forums (unless it doesn't work out). I am attempting to make it a rainy Fortress map, so we'll see how that goes.

Anyhoo, criticize away...

o_fjorn · 05-23-2005, 07:14 AM

http://www.snarkpit.net/editing.php?...ame=HL2&id=158

use that please... those are HUGE pictures

o_imbrifer · 05-23-2005, 07:25 AM

Optomized.

Thanks, Fjorn

o_thedarkone · 05-23-2005, 09:40 AM

The base is pretty monochrome. It might be the mood you're aiming at, but it's not so easy on the eyes when every indoor surface is just a slightly diffferent shade of grey from the next.

o_ivaqual · 05-23-2005, 09:45 AM

crap, that really looks good. love that sick industrial style.
it is a *tad* too dark, i love dark but imo that's too much for a practical and fluid gameplay - i'd add some very bright and harsh spotlights similar to "Flagroom to Roof" around the map.

o_jinx · 05-23-2005, 10:30 AM

exterior of the base looks great

Lost · 05-23-2005, 11:01 AM

I love the overcast sky and the rain. Goes well with the rest of the exterior.

o_elvis2049 · 05-23-2005, 03:01 PM

cool rain

love the mapstyle m8

o_kam · 05-23-2005, 03:29 PM

Looks promising

o_buckshot enema[x7] · 05-23-2005, 03:57 PM

Is it raining inside in that last shot?

Like I said over at Snarkpit, once they release red/blue textures I'm sure the base wont look as drab.

o_imbrifer · 05-23-2005, 07:14 PM

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. And yes, it's raining in that last shot.

As far as the spotlight suggestion, I was thinking about making Red and Blue (respective to bases) spotlights outside each base aiming up at the base. I could see that becoming a horrible disaster, however, so I'll have to investigate it carefully.

I worry a bit about the map being too dark overall - I think I'll lighten it up just a tad, but I still want the rainy overcast theme. And thanks, everyone, for the comments about the exterior. I think that the wall textures I'm using outside right now work very well, and I'll probably keep them.

Since I feel very well recieved by the community here, I'll post some more shots:
Water entrance looking at the base
Roof looking towards water entrance
First floor near spawn
Second floor
Rough ovearhead of the map layout

And now I'm going to break a norm and show the ugliest parts of my map right now:
Flagroom Still figuring out what to do with the walls
Second floor of spawn 1 Still figuring out detail and lighting
On the way from the roof to the flagroom again Working on how to make the end of the tunnel pretty.

o_guessmyname · 05-23-2005, 09:10 PM

Piping and generators (there are models for these in HL2) might be a nice way to spice up the end of the tunnel

o_zippy · 05-23-2005, 09:19 PM

tasty :d

o_geokill-----> · 05-23-2005, 11:58 PM

Love the cloudy/foggy/rainy atmosphere

o_general levy · 05-24-2005, 12:01 AM

cool a flagroom with a vertical aspect. i like it - there arent enough like this.

Defrag · 05-24-2005, 02:19 AM

Looks interesting, but you really need to accent your architecture with some nice lighting; at the moment the architecture is being lost in a sea of grey

Lost · 05-24-2005, 03:18 AM

Yah, colored piping would add a lot of feeling to the drabness of the stark grey textures. A little bit brighter wouldn't hurt too bad either but don't mess with the outside, I think thats near perfect.

o_jerm · 05-24-2005, 04:00 AM

one of the best community maps i've seen

add some lighting. and should be set.

o_imbrifer · 05-24-2005, 07:55 AM

Thanks again for the positive and helpful feedback, everyone.

Right now I'm toying with the inside lighting - changing the 'light' entities to 'light_spot' entities or 'point_spotlight' entities and such. I also retextured the main room and I like it more (assuming I can get the lighting right), so once I make enough changes for a 'tada', I'll post some 'before' and 'after' screenies.

As for the piping, computers, water, rocks, rooms, etc. behind glass/grates/other barriers, I've put rocks behind grates in three places - so I think it might be out of the map's style to use glass, and I want it to be industrial yet refined as all Fortress maps are, so doing grates well would be tough - but I'll try in some spots. I'll look in to adding some non-gray piping where it may appear appropriate, and I'll keep working on the lighting.

o_deadeh · 05-24-2005, 10:17 AM

Really liking it - keep up the good work, the atmosphere outside the base looks perfect, i love those days when its like that outside---- but then i want to go into my house where its nice and warm....... so i think im saying i personnally would preffer a slightly "warmer" inside, only example i can think of in a current TFC map is rock2 its not exactly "warm" inside but i think you could implement that sort of style without breaking this map anyway, just a suggestion - obviously the FF textures and what not are not out yet and it sounds like ur doing a lot of work to improve the inside

Keep it going

05-23-2005, 07:12 AM	#1
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Take a gander at 'lake' This is the CTF map I have been working on recently. I'd say its a little under half done - some of the major brushwork remains, but I'm also moving on to the details (detail work, props, retexturing), and the skybox has yet to be done. I wanted community input, however, so... Here are the pics: First floor lobby Side view of the base Flagroom entrance The Flagroom Roof to Flagroom Flagroom to Roof It is a relatively small map (by FF standards) built for LAN play. It will have the 'lockdown' feature as discussed in these forums (unless it doesn't work out). I am attempting to make it a rainy Fortress map, so we'll see how that goes. Anyhoo, criticize away...

05-24-2005, 02:19 AM	#16
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Looks interesting, but you really need to accent your architecture with some nice lighting; at the moment the architecture is being lost in a sea of grey __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

05-23-2005, 07:14 AM	#2
o_fjorn Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://www.snarkpit.net/editing.php?...ame=HL2&id=158 use that please... those are HUGE pictures

05-23-2005, 07:25 AM	#3
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Optomized. Thanks, Fjorn

05-23-2005, 09:40 AM	#4
o_thedarkone Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The base is pretty monochrome. It might be the mood you're aiming at, but it's not so easy on the eyes when every indoor surface is just a slightly diffferent shade of grey from the next.

05-23-2005, 09:45 AM	#5
o_ivaqual Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe, Front Yard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	crap, that really looks good. love that sick industrial style. it is a tad too dark, i love dark but imo that's too much for a practical and fluid gameplay - i'd add some very bright and harsh spotlights similar to "Flagroom to Roof" around the map.

05-23-2005, 10:30 AM	#6
o_jinx Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ohio Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	exterior of the base looks great

05-23-2005, 11:01 AM	#7
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	I love the overcast sky and the rain. Goes well with the rest of the exterior.

05-23-2005, 03:01 PM	#8
o_elvis2049 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	cool rain love the mapstyle m8

05-23-2005, 03:29 PM	#9
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Looks promising

05-23-2005, 03:57 PM	#10
o_buckshot enema[x7] Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: United States Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Is it raining inside in that last shot? Like I said over at Snarkpit, once they release red/blue textures I'm sure the base wont look as drab.

05-23-2005, 07:14 PM	#11
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks for the feedback, everyone. And yes, it's raining in that last shot. As far as the spotlight suggestion, I was thinking about making Red and Blue (respective to bases) spotlights outside each base aiming up at the base. I could see that becoming a horrible disaster, however, so I'll have to investigate it carefully. I worry a bit about the map being too dark overall - I think I'll lighten it up just a tad, but I still want the rainy overcast theme. And thanks, everyone, for the comments about the exterior. I think that the wall textures I'm using outside right now work very well, and I'll probably keep them. Since I feel very well recieved by the community here, I'll post some more shots: Water entrance looking at the base Roof looking towards water entrance First floor near spawn Second floor Rough ovearhead of the map layout And now I'm going to break a norm and show the ugliest parts of my map right now: Flagroom Still figuring out what to do with the walls Second floor of spawn 1 Still figuring out detail and lighting On the way from the roof to the flagroom again Working on how to make the end of the tunnel pretty.

05-23-2005, 09:10 PM	#12
o_guessmyname Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Piping and generators (there are models for these in HL2) might be a nice way to spice up the end of the tunnel

05-23-2005, 09:19 PM	#13
o_zippy Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cumbria,UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	tasty :d

05-23-2005, 11:58 PM	#14
o_geokill-----> Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fort Worth, Tejas Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Love the cloudy/foggy/rainy atmosphere

05-24-2005, 12:01 AM	#15
o_general levy Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	cool a flagroom with a vertical aspect. i like it - there arent enough like this.

05-24-2005, 03:18 AM	#17
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Yah, colored piping would add a lot of feeling to the drabness of the stark grey textures. A little bit brighter wouldn't hurt too bad either but don't mess with the outside, I think thats near perfect.

05-24-2005, 04:00 AM	#18
o_jerm Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aotearoa, New Zealand Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	one of the best community maps i've seen add some lighting. and should be set.

05-24-2005, 07:55 AM	#19
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks again for the positive and helpful feedback, everyone. Right now I'm toying with the inside lighting - changing the 'light' entities to 'light_spot' entities or 'point_spotlight' entities and such. I also retextured the main room and I like it more (assuming I can get the lighting right), so once I make enough changes for a 'tada', I'll post some 'before' and 'after' screenies. As for the piping, computers, water, rocks, rooms, etc. behind glass/grates/other barriers, I've put rocks behind grates in three places - so I think it might be out of the map's style to use glass, and I want it to be industrial yet refined as all Fortress maps are, so doing grates well would be tough - but I'll try in some spots. I'll look in to adding some non-gray piping where it may appear appropriate, and I'll keep working on the lighting.

05-24-2005, 10:17 AM	#20
o_deadeh Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Really liking it - keep up the good work, the atmosphere outside the base looks perfect, i love those days when its like that outside---- but then i want to go into my house where its nice and warm....... so i think im saying i personnally would preffer a slightly "warmer" inside, only example i can think of in a current TFC map is rock2 its not exactly "warm" inside but i think you could implement that sort of style without breaking this map anyway, just a suggestion - obviously the FF textures and what not are not out yet and it sounds like ur doing a lot of work to improve the inside Keep it going

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