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Old 09-02-2013, 07:33 PM   #1
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ff_bhoprace_lines

http://www.snarkpit.net/index.php?s=maps&map=3538

So, after making this map, I spent 20 minutes and 200 attempts at it and finished it twice.

It's pretty damn fun.

Bear in mind you prolly shouldn't have multiple people go at the same time though, because they'll jump on each others heads and stuff. It'd be cool to see how fast you can do it that way though...

Lua tracks exactly how fast you take and whether it beats your old personal best and whether it beats the current best time (in each session - I couldn't be arsed to use SaveMapData :P).

It's damn difficult though.

You need to stop bhopping in some places to go slow enough to actually get round places, and even slightly tapping the red will (most of the time - blame the Source engine) kill you. Oh, and in some places you HAVE to trimp or double jump to get across.

:DDDDDDDD

Now I wanna see what times you guyses can do it in.

Also, ignore the fact that the first person beats 'no-one' by about 90 seconds because I couldn't be arsed to actually make anything apart from a work-around when the first person finishes.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:56 AM   #2
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Cool map.

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squeek. has just finished in 11.787878990173s, their new personal best.
I found that it's not really about bhopping as much as optimizing momentum by abusing the trigger_pushes as much as possible. This means that you actually want to touch the ground as many times as possible (since you can't airaccelerate nearly as fast as the triggers push you), rampslide as much as possible (very important), and avoid any trimps/doublejumps that you possibly can (there's only one place that I needed to double jump).

What is your reasoning for the trigger_pushes? To allow bhopping over the cap? It might be better to keep increasing max speed using Lua based on the player's current speed (in a very quickly repeating schedule), that way it's all about bhopping (but the map would have to be longer to be able to build up a lot of speed). You could also continually check for a minimum speed and reset the player if they go under it. That way you could remove pretty much all of the trigger_hurts against the walls and only keep them on top of them (since slamming into a wall will stop your speed completely).

That said, I do like the current dynamic of the map, but I don't get the sense that it's a bhop map; more of an overall movement map (which might be better?).

It'd be very easy to store the records with map data. I might write a base_race.lua (something something Starcraft).
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Old 09-03-2013, 03:40 PM   #3
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Well, I tried to base it off stuff in Kreedz and stuff, but I wasn't sure whether or not to make the trigger_push just on the ground, or whether I should fill the map with it.

I decided to just put it on the ground, and I dunno whether that's really the best idea now, really.

There is a trigger_push because that's how Kreedz Climbing does it (and that's what I was trying to really emulate), but I'd be intrigued to see it without the push, actually.

Also, I was lazy so ramps don't actually have trigger_push-es on them fully, which is also another reason it probably doesn't work as intended. :LL

And I should probably round it to 3 DP too, rather than leaving a full on float in the chat. Oh, and I was going to add a schedule to show who is in the lead if no-one manages to beat them 3 minutes after they set the record, just to remind people. :P

EDIT: The reason I used trigger_hurts (which aren't actually trigger_hurts, btw, they're trigger_ff_scripts set to just do player:Respawn(), which I didn't realise would just kill the player, I thought it would do the same as using ApplyToPlayer() and the respawn AT flag) is because there are some places where I didn't want you to be able to get on top of.

The entire first segment would have to be rebuilt if there aren't any trigger_hurts (challenge accepted).

2nd EDIT: And now I remember why the trigger_push is there:

It's to stop you being able to just go backwards and try stuff again, you have to carry on going forwards, and if you don't, you're massively slowed down (to 30 u/s).

And why does the speedometer not work properly when you're in a trigger_push, anyway?
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it feels super weird with the trigger push. i like the idea but dont like that aspect whatsoever. i played for only about 2 mins and got 10.2 seconds i believe but i wouldn't play it again.

I do like the time keeping part though, but it'd be nice if you could drop a few of the decimals lol 5 Decimal places would be more than enough
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Kinda fun. Doesn't really feel like a "bhop race" though, since bhopping too fast will run you into walls. It's more about being able to guess how fast you should be going to get over the obstacles and getting a lucky trimp in a couple spots. Also like squeek says hitting all the trigger_pushes at the right time.

zE did a similar map to this ages ago where you ride trigger_pushes while trying to maintain speed for a big trimp.

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I made a base_race.lua. It's kind of crazy (I wanted to try out object-oriented Lua in FF), and it has (partial, untested) support for things that it doesn't need at the moment, like multiple different races, synchronous races, per-race leaderboards and whatnot.

But, the main thing is it should save and load records between map changes (stored by Steam ID). There are also the chat commands: !rank (to get your own rank) and !top <num> (to get the top <num> players, defaulted to 5, max of 15), and the timer and your PB shows on the HUD.

Here it is with ff_bhoprace_lines.lua modified to use it:
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P.S. My best time is 10.7. I have a hard time believing alex's 10.2 claim.
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So, uh, any plans to make that link not a 404?

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So, uh, any plans to make that link not a 404?

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Gah, that massive thousand lines of functions and stuff is why you can program things and I can't. :P

Srsly, how do you put all these . and : and functions with other functions and returns and all that stuff all over the place and make something work. :L
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P.S. My best time is 10.7. I have a hard time believing alex's 10.2 claim.
hahaha i swear it happened. wish i wouldve copied and pasted
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ddm999 has just finished in 12.329956054688s, their new personal best.
ddm999 has just finished in 11.909912109375s, their new personal best.
I just got 11.9. I'm quite far behind you guys.

BTW, those are all the times I got in 40 minutes.

My little finger hurts from repeatedly pressing and letting go of ctrl.
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Cool little map. I've uploaded it to my server.

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I was playing with Cristavo columbo and in the middle of a run, he exclaimed, "I think I just shit my pants" and disconnected. I'm still rofling.

Edit: Suck my nuts ddm I just got it in 11.061s!
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I just went on and thought: "what the fuck who put this timer here" then remembered you'd be using squeeks lua. :PPP

Dammit, me.

EDIT: suck a fucking dick moto just beat your time on your server got 11.409s :AD:A:A

edit: why would you edit a post and update when it's a day old and 6 posts behind i cant fucking see that you dumb

also what did you fucking do ive lost my record either that or your using squeeks old lua which is broken and i assume it is the latter.

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Fixed some really bad leaderboard bugs that caused a ton of ranking weirdness:

http://www.ffpickup.com/temp/base_race_v0.2.zip

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On the BOSS server.
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Wow, I just got the god run.

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Was done on the BOSS server. Will get the SourceTV demo and record it.
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Just got 9.802s with my eyes closed and monitor off. Your move squeek.
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I have a hard time believing homie's blind 9.802s claim.

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Welp, squeek ruined if for the rest of us. Make another one DDM.
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Make one where the level is mirrored so 2 people can race each other.

btw, where are all the 2v2 skill maps that were so awesome in TFC?
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