Black Mesa 2009 Update - Page 2

Mooga · 12-08-2009, 04:03 PM

What we find annoying is that a few years back they were "nearly done!" Yet they have not released a tech demo or public beta. At least give us the fist level. That alone will keep people happy for a while

Etzell · 12-08-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooga

What we find annoying is that a few years back they were "nearly done!" Yet they have not released a tech demo or public beta. At least give us the fist level. That alone will keep people happy for a while

No it wouldn't. People, no matter how much they're told, will assume it's the whole game, or it's all they're gonna get, and they'll bitch. And bitch. And bitch.

KubeDawg · 12-08-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Etzell

No it wouldn't. People, no matter how much they're told, will assume it's the whole game, or it's all they're gonna get, and they'll bitch. And bitch. And bitch.

I wonder where I've seen that before.

Etzell · 12-08-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

I wonder where I've seen that before.

It's almost like I was a beta tester. Weird, right?

Iggy · 12-08-2009, 09:05 PM

Don't take this the wrong way, Cats.... cuz I'm still a big fan of the game, and I still appreciate the effort it's taken for it.

However.... to me, it's just another "valvE like" broken promise in a string of broken promises.

I'm very very sad.

reaper18 · 12-09-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

Don't take this the wrong way, Cats.... cuz I'm still a big fan of the game, and I still appreciate the effort it's taken for it.

However.... to me, it's just another "valvE like" broken promise in a string of broken promises.

I'm very very sad.

YouTube

Mooga · 12-09-2009, 01:30 AM

As much as I HATE apple, I love that commercial if ONLY because of the 90s PC...

Circuitous · 12-09-2009, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CatzEyes93

And of course it is going to take longer than the originals you goof, these guys have given up 6 years of their personal time (that is time that they are NOT working or being with their family) to dedicate to this. And you wanna compare the timeframe to folks that do it 40 hours a week full time for their real job! goofball. I would flick you if I could. =p

They managed to release eight games in that timeframe is all I'm saying.

I guess the real question is, just what the fuck is the hold up? What are they waiting on, exactly? What could possibly be taking this long?

SizeableSSonic · 12-09-2009, 10:54 AM

Meh, knew it was coming.

KubeDawg · 12-09-2009, 02:18 PM

My guess would be real life? I assume none of them are getting paid to do this similar to FF. The only difference is, they want to release it when it's done as opposed to releasing it when it's nowhere near finished.

Lost · 12-09-2009, 02:19 PM

It's kind of like the dudes working on NS2 I'd imagine. Even from what little I keep up with it, I know Unknown Worlds has gone through quite a few different developers with both incarnations of NS. At least now they can make some progress with their opt-in pay program. Hopefully.

NeonLight · 12-09-2009, 04:42 PM

They have, they just released the map maker and it's very simple, reminds me of hammer, and I'm guessing there are plenty of NS players making common NS maps. I really can't wait for them to release the game though

CatzEyes93 · 12-09-2009, 08:13 PM

Its taking long cuz there are so many flippin chapters. 17 to be exact. 17 custom made chapters. Not reskinning the old textures like most people assume, but a complete re-build of the original. That and the source upgrades that have happened over the last few years making them tweak what they had going on.

Oh and then there is the occasional bug that needs to be hammered out which in fact causes other things to break. And then the dissatisfaction or disagreements amongst the developers regarding scope/direction/standards that I could assume happens on occasion.

And I am sure real life girlfriends/wives/jobs/kids come in and steal your time away from a project that has so far done nothing for you or your career. Not to mention the fact that working on ANYTHING for 6 years is gonna sap you of motivation and inspiration.

Oh and don't forget the high ideals that everyone has on the mod, not just your own or your co-worker but also the fanbase. Anything less than perfection is gonna drive you crazy. Cuz after all this is like someone giving you THIS and telling you to give them back THIS. Shucks, you guys know all this.

Doesn't make it less disappointing tho eh? Trust me, I think we are ALL disappointed that it isnt out. Heck, I was there when the dev team started up back on leak free. So it has been a long road for me too, and I have only put in about 20 hours total work on this. I can't imagine the stress that the REAL developers are under.

How can ANYONE love something this long after this much work with no monetary gain? brb... I gotta go hug a BM developer.

MightyLotu · 12-09-2009, 09:12 PM

indeed

Iggy · 12-09-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CatzEyes93

brb... I gotta go hug a BM developer.

I develope BMs every day.... how about a hug over here?

(You knew someone was gonna say it...)

CaLeB- · 12-10-2009, 12:20 AM

http://forums.blackmesasource.com/sh...&postcount=148

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I hope they do release it by the end of the year... I promised folks on the Fortress Forever forums that if it didnt release in 2009, I would post up my real address.

You think we wouldn't remember...?

Etzell · 12-10-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

I develope BMs every day.... how about a hug over here?

(You knew someone was gonna say it...)

I wanted someone to post "when bm will out" so I could tell them "in a few hours lols".

Iggy · 12-10-2009, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CaLeB-

http://forums.blackmesasource.com/sh...&postcount=148

You think we wouldn't remember...?

Oh... you are good!

Circuitous · 12-10-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CatzEyes93

Oh and don't forget the high ideals that everyone has on the mod, not just your own or your co-worker but also the fanbase. Anything less than perfection is gonna drive you crazy. Cuz after all this is like someone giving you THIS and telling you to give them back THIS. Shucks, you guys know all this.

Everything is sort of "blah blah pointless" except for this part. High expectations come from extended development times, usually. They keep promising that they want it "perfect" and that's why it's taking so long to finish, but honestly? I don't think anyone needs "perfect" at this point. Or, indeed, ever.

When I asked what the hold up was, I meant specifically. Not "oh they have real lives, too!" or whatever other bullshit BM supporters keep handing out. I mean, what department is currently lacking that they can't get their shit together? Models? Textures? Animation? Scripting? Dialogue/Voice? Music? Mapping? I can't think of even one reason any of these things couldn't have been handled within six goddamn years, even by complete retards with two hours of free time a week.

CatzEyes93 · 12-10-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

I develope BMs every day.... how about a hug over here?

(You knew someone was gonna say it...)

:runs and launches into a big jump and hug for Iggy while giving him a wet willy in his ear: hahaha!!!!

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Originally Posted by CaLeB-

http://forums.blackmesasource.com/sh...&postcount=148

You think we wouldn't remember...?

Blarg, fluff and stuff!! At least I dont hafta eat my shoe like another developer hasta! lol!
2508 Balsam Street. And that is all you are gonna get! hahaha!!!!

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

Everything is sort of "blah blah pointless" except for this part. High expectations come from extended development times, usually. They keep promising that they want it "perfect" and that's why it's taking so long to finish, but honestly? I don't think anyone needs "perfect" at this point. Or, indeed, ever.

When I asked what the hold up was, I meant specifically. Not "oh they have real lives, too!" or whatever other bullshit BM supporters keep handing out. I mean, what department is currently lacking that they can't get their shit together? Models? Textures? Animation? Scripting? Dialogue/Voice? Music? Mapping? I can't think of even one reason any of these things couldn't have been handled within six goddamn years, even by complete retards with two hours of free time a week.

Ok angry santa, perhaps you are simply not getting what I was trying to say. There is no one particular part that is dragging this out, it is simply taking longer than they thought it would. Why? Because everyone on the team is NOT able to spend full time on it.

Be mad. Be dissapointed. Swear them off or offer support. I can understand all of those and I wont disagree with your feelings over it. But contrary to what you are implying, there is no specific department to 'blame'. The whole thing is just taking longer is all. You would have to actually be ON the team to really get it.

Actually, I have seen this happen. Folks come on the team, make their introductions and then they are slapped with expectations and deadlines and before you know it, you have a 'newb' to the team that is overwhelmed saying "WTF!!" because it was bigger than they realized.

Anyway... Just thought I would offer up some info for ya'll. Cuz I know there is still a lot of support out there and many are still looking forward to it.

12-08-2009, 04:03 PM	#21
Mooga Colorless FTW D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A Small Box Affiliations: SRCDS.com Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	What we find annoying is that a few years back they were "nearly done!" Yet they have not released a tech demo or public beta. At least give us the fist level. That alone will keep people happy for a while __________________ ~ Mooga ...w00t? SRCDS.com \| Twitter

12-09-2009, 01:30 AM	#27
Mooga Colorless FTW D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A Small Box Affiliations: SRCDS.com Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	As much as I HATE apple, I love that commercial if ONLY because of the 90s PC... __________________ ~ Mooga ...w00t? SRCDS.com \| Twitter

12-09-2009, 10:54 AM	#29
SizeableSSonic Joystick Junkie D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: I know where YOU live! Class/Position: Engineer or Sniper Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Meh, knew it was coming. __________________ I like chocolate milk.

12-09-2009, 02:18 PM	#30
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	My guess would be real life? I assume none of them are getting paid to do this similar to FF. The only difference is, they want to release it when it's done as opposed to releasing it when it's nowhere near finished. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

12-09-2009, 02:19 PM	#31
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	It's kind of like the dudes working on NS2 I'd imagine. Even from what little I keep up with it, I know Unknown Worlds has gone through quite a few different developers with both incarnations of NS. At least now they can make some progress with their opt-in pay program. Hopefully. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

12-09-2009, 04:42 PM	#32
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12-09-2009, 08:13 PM	#33
CatzEyes93 Black Mesa Voice Actor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Its taking long cuz there are so many flippin chapters. 17 to be exact. 17 custom made chapters. Not reskinning the old textures like most people assume, but a complete re-build of the original. That and the source upgrades that have happened over the last few years making them tweak what they had going on. Oh and then there is the occasional bug that needs to be hammered out which in fact causes other things to break. And then the dissatisfaction or disagreements amongst the developers regarding scope/direction/standards that I could assume happens on occasion. And I am sure real life girlfriends/wives/jobs/kids come in and steal your time away from a project that has so far done nothing for you or your career. Not to mention the fact that working on ANYTHING for 6 years is gonna sap you of motivation and inspiration. Oh and don't forget the high ideals that everyone has on the mod, not just your own or your co-worker but also the fanbase. Anything less than perfection is gonna drive you crazy. Cuz after all this is like someone giving you THIS and telling you to give them back THIS. Shucks, you guys know all this. Doesn't make it less disappointing tho eh? Trust me, I think we are ALL disappointed that it isnt out. Heck, I was there when the dev team started up back on leak free. So it has been a long road for me too, and I have only put in about 20 hours total work on this. I can't imagine the stress that the REAL developers are under. How can ANYONE love something this long after this much work with no monetary gain? brb... I gotta go hug a BM developer. Last edited by CatzEyes93; 12-09-2009 at 08:13 PM.

12-09-2009, 09:12 PM	#34
MightyLotu Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	indeed

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