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episkopos · 01-08-2011, 09:14 AM

What the fuck DOES happen when you're conced then? How does your crosshair actually move?

reaper18 · 01-08-2011, 07:16 PM

When your conced, your cross-hair basically disappears, and when you shoot, your cross-hair quickly flashes then fades out where you shot would have been

**squeek.** · 01-08-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by episkopos

What the fuck DOES happen when you're conced then? How does your crosshair actually move?

Your screen moves, but your true aim (where your bullets will shoot) doesn't. If you conc yourself, don't move your mouse, and shoot a couple times, you'll see that you shoot the same place every time. So, to aim, you need to ignore your crosshair and move your screen around using your true aim as a reference.

AcidRenix's tutorial video does a good job of explaining it:

YouTube

**Crazycarl** · 01-08-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eomoyaff

Don't mind Propezz, Squeek. He's making opinions based around his play style and skill level.

But what about the Sentry Gun? The Pyro? The Sniper? Any update on what you might have going for them? I mean they've been either mostly pointless, or broken since the release and nothing has yet to be done with em. So anything?? Thanks.

Sentry push will be increased. Nothing much will happen with pyro or sniper this patch, since we are only releasing stuff from the beta that we are currently happy with. We gave the Pyro's IC a limited clip, and reload animation. That may make it in because it makes the pyro a little less spammy, which is nice.

chicken · 01-08-2011, 08:25 PM

"You no longer lose a kill for suiciding."

This is going to result in players using kill when lit on fire by a pyro or when infected. You should put some type of "finished off" frag for the enemy that dealt damage. TF2 has that working well.

**squeek.** · 01-08-2011, 08:27 PM

You still get a death and a respawn time penalty.

oaties · 01-08-2011, 08:39 PM

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[*]No longer will your crosshair betray you: Your crosshair disappears when you are concussed. The true crosshair (where you are actually firing) now flashes upon firing a weapon.

What...

The game is made up of competative players...

FF is dead to me

eomoyaff · 01-08-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazycarl

Sentry push will be increased. Nothing much will happen with pyro or sniper this patch, since we are only releasing stuff from the beta that we are currently happy with. We gave the Pyro's IC a limited clip, and reload animation. That may make it in because it makes the pyro a little less spammy, which is nice.

Nope. That won't fix the class from being OP. You guys need to fix the burn levels to be a little more realistic. That way you don't get lvl 2 burned for however amount of seconds just by being touched by a flame after you've been hit by an IC. I can understand initial burning from the beginning, but lvl 2 should only be applied when flame is constantly on the target. It just makes sense and would add a little more of a learning curve. It'll also solve the mindless players from thinking that it's the easy way out when facing harder competition.

I also suggest replacing the napalm mirv thing with a bomb that breaks on impact and spreads a gasoline like substance on the ground. Then all you have to do it shoot that area with an IC and anyone who stands in it, or walks through it gets set on fire. You apply that with a flame thrower, and wallah, lvl 3 burn while in the perimeter of the grenades burst. Also, the grenade's oil/gas area should probably last as long as the pyro is alive. Meaning he'll have to replace the trap once he dies. just like the demo.

an example of this is used during ancient Chinese warfare. they would cover the battlefield in oil. And they basically shot one fire arrow into that area and caught everything and everyone on fire. It'd be awesome to see that in-game.

So no more of this "ow, you TOUCHED*** me with your flame thrower after you decked me with an IC, and I'm suddenly more on fire then I previously was (some how.)," junk. Can you see my point?

NeonLight · 01-08-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by oaties

What...

The game is made up of competative players...

FF is dead to me

When was the last time you played.

eomoyaff · 01-08-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoNL

When was the last time you played.

And when hasn't ANY GAME been competitive at some level? If it's not your cup of tea Oat, don't drink it.

NeonLight · 01-08-2011, 09:06 PM

Thanks Moya I couldn't figure out what to say without it being infraction worthy

GenghisTron · 01-08-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoNL

Thanks Moya I couldn't figure out what to say without it being infraction worthy

IMPOSSIBLE

the day you get an infraction is the day I claim the mod that gave you an infraction is scuzzy in disguise

NeonLight · 01-08-2011, 09:38 PM

Tbh I bet they all are Scuzzy ;D

moosh · 01-08-2011, 09:58 PM

Don't judge something you haven't played, assholes.

**Elmo** · 01-08-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoNL

Tbh I bet they all are Scuzzy ;D

ooo careful.. I might have to give you an infraction for such blasphemy!

NeonLight · 01-08-2011, 11:15 PM

Need moar music Elmo !!

**Elmo** · 01-08-2011, 11:20 PM

eh? we going off topic I guess? my band? lol - I'm still doing loads, haven't shared it in a while.

Jay Mofo Mills · 01-09-2011, 01:31 AM

First off let me say kudos to you pimps for continuously working on this mod. I love FF. Now brown nosing aside- I will play the update to get a full opinion (unless you make me a beta tester) but heres my first thoughts on it:

1. I think you should lose a kill for suiciding. Thats a death. You should however NOT lose a kill for changing classes.

2. Love the soft clipping idea, there is nothing more annoying than having your conc primed with just enough time to make the doorway and running into people who are walking (slowly) in the way and missing your conc. I know I'm snooty scout but if you can't bhop walk on the side of the corridors please?

3. I dislike the idea of help w/concaim. To me some things are skills. That if you play and practice you can master. i.e. -trimping, concing, bhop, CONCAIM. I urge caution on making things too "noob friendly". Noobs will like them but people who spend time playing to get good dont. FOR EXAMPLE the elevators in rock2. used to take skill or sacrifice to get up there.

4. not sure how I feel about destroyable jumppads. Seems like that makes them kinda useless. I'll play first to really decide. How much health will they have?

5. Kind of despise the infection changing. It was already bad enough that walking over a medpack would cure it. I play medic often and while yes there are some meds that just run around w/medkit trying to infect (which is silly). I think the infection is very useful in certain areas i.e. - destroy main ramp hw. Infection should KILL PERIOD. or perhaps, keep the new infection timer but allow a death. So you can run to spawn or collect bags to outlast the infection timer. Please though, infecting doesn't come free to the medic. He's gotta get close through AC and rockets and IC and all the bs to touch ya first which quite often costs the medic his life. Seems a little unbalanced.

6. Not sure about HW push. Seems really bad for scouts. Want to see in action.

7. Warpath looks beautiful. Cant wait to play.

still want to be a beta tester. or taster if necessary ;p

m0f0

GambiT · 01-09-2011, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Mofo Mills

FOR EXAMPLE the elevators in rock2. used to take skill or sacrifice to get up there.

m0f0

i'm assuming your talking about the ported version? ff_rock2 is team elevators(blue can not use reds and vice versa)

Lynus · 01-09-2011, 04:58 PM

I kinda agree with everything Mofo said.

The suicide/death thing should be left alone, but new scoreboard should be implemented to reflect flag captures / fortress points / kills / deaths / assists / maybe heals.

The HW overpressure + nerf'ed infection unbalances the medic, and I still think jumppads should be removed completely and teleporters reintroduced.

Over and out.

01-08-2011, 08:27 PM	#46
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	You still get a death and a respawn time penalty. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

01-08-2011, 09:06 PM	#51
NeonLight NeoNL Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boston, Mass Class/Position: Soldier, Medic Gametype: AvD Affiliations: +M\|M+ -RS Posts Rated Helpful 170 Times	Thanks Moya I couldn't figure out what to say without it being infraction worthy __________________ Stream(720p 60FPS) Recover Montage Fidd_l SpiderX Zutalors_B2 Quark_Classic DM2_MGE NeoN's Config Emporium

01-08-2011, 09:38 PM	#53
NeonLight NeoNL Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boston, Mass Class/Position: Soldier, Medic Gametype: AvD Affiliations: +M\|M+ -RS Posts Rated Helpful 170 Times	Tbh I bet they all are Scuzzy ;D __________________ Stream(720p 60FPS) Recover Montage Fidd_l SpiderX Zutalors_B2 Quark_Classic DM2_MGE NeoN's Config Emporium

01-08-2011, 09:58 PM	#54
moosh WhenNailGrenWillOut? Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Gametype: mp_prematch Affiliations: [:)] - Frag Happy, babe\| Posts Rated Helpful 29 Times	Don't judge something you haven't played, assholes. __________________ [[ ff_hotfudge - bhop_theonlyone ]] "As the the new year approaches I await for it like an case of explosive fecalomania otherwise know as diareha or the massive shits. I am gripping the sides of the toilet as my stomach produces the first hollow thud out of the anus of the year to come." DarkeN_HellspawN

01-08-2011, 11:15 PM	#56
NeonLight NeoNL Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boston, Mass Class/Position: Soldier, Medic Gametype: AvD Affiliations: +M\|M+ -RS Posts Rated Helpful 170 Times	Need moar music Elmo !! __________________ Stream(720p 60FPS) Recover Montage Fidd_l SpiderX Zutalors_B2 Quark_Classic DM2_MGE NeoN's Config Emporium

01-08-2011, 09:14 AM	#41
episkopos D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jun 2010 Class/Position: anything but Sniper and Spy Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	What the fuck DOES happen when you're conced then? How does your crosshair actually move?

01-08-2011, 07:16 PM	#42
reaper18 sKeeD D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Class/Position: Scout, Demo, Solly Gametype: Any Posts Rated Helpful 21 Times	When your conced, your cross-hair basically disappears, and when you shoot, your cross-hair quickly flashes then fades out where you shot would have been

01-08-2011, 08:25 PM	#45
chicken Join Date: Jul 2010 Class/Position: Medic Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	"You no longer lose a kill for suiciding." This is going to result in players using kill when lit on fire by a pyro or when infected. You should put some type of "finished off" frag for the enemy that dealt damage. TF2 has that working well.

01-08-2011, 11:20 PM	#57
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	eh? we going off topic I guess? my band? lol - I'm still doing loads, haven't shared it in a while. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

01-09-2011, 01:31 AM	#58
Jay Mofo Mills Jay\|mOfO\|Mills Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Santa Fe, NM Gametype: Snag the flag beotches Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	Mills 2 cents First off let me say kudos to you pimps for continuously working on this mod. I love FF. Now brown nosing aside- I will play the update to get a full opinion (unless you make me a beta tester) but heres my first thoughts on it: 1. I think you should lose a kill for suiciding. Thats a death. You should however NOT lose a kill for changing classes. 2. Love the soft clipping idea, there is nothing more annoying than having your conc primed with just enough time to make the doorway and running into people who are walking (slowly) in the way and missing your conc. I know I'm snooty scout but if you can't bhop walk on the side of the corridors please? 3. I dislike the idea of help w/concaim. To me some things are skills. That if you play and practice you can master. i.e. -trimping, concing, bhop, CONCAIM. I urge caution on making things too "noob friendly". Noobs will like them but people who spend time playing to get good dont. FOR EXAMPLE the elevators in rock2. used to take skill or sacrifice to get up there. 4. not sure how I feel about destroyable jumppads. Seems like that makes them kinda useless. I'll play first to really decide. How much health will they have? 5. Kind of despise the infection changing. It was already bad enough that walking over a medpack would cure it. I play medic often and while yes there are some meds that just run around w/medkit trying to infect (which is silly). I think the infection is very useful in certain areas i.e. - destroy main ramp hw. Infection should KILL PERIOD. or perhaps, keep the new infection timer but allow a death. So you can run to spawn or collect bags to outlast the infection timer. Please though, infecting doesn't come free to the medic. He's gotta get close through AC and rockets and IC and all the bs to touch ya first which quite often costs the medic his life. Seems a little unbalanced. 6. Not sure about HW push. Seems really bad for scouts. Want to see in action. 7. Warpath looks beautiful. Cant wait to play. still want to be a beta tester. or taster if necessary ;p m0f0

01-09-2011, 04:58 PM	#60
Lynus I like Ceyx Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: MI Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	I kinda agree with everything Mofo said. The suicide/death thing should be left alone, but new scoreboard should be implemented to reflect flag captures / fortress points / kills / deaths / assists / maybe heals. The HW overpressure + nerf'ed infection unbalances the medic, and I still think jumppads should be removed completely and teleporters reintroduced. Over and out. __________________ hef Last edited by Lynus; 01-09-2011 at 05:00 PM.

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