Mod Requirements - Page 2

Circuitous · 03-09-2006, 09:47 PM

I think that takes a package now, but originally yeah it came with those.

o_bubbles · 03-11-2006, 09:03 AM

Possible to play the mod with only HL2Demo installed? =DD

o_ekse · 03-11-2006, 11:27 AM

and what about DoD:S only ?

Defrag · 03-11-2006, 11:49 AM

We're not mounting any CS:S gcfs. The stuff in push was simply taken from the CS:S GCF and then dropped into the FF directory. The vast majority of that stuff has already been removed and none of it will actually be released with FF for two reasons:

A: Legality (I'm pretty sure Valve would frown upon taking stuff from one GCF and redistributing it with a mod [as not all players will own CS:S])
B: We want to have our own stuff instead

We have looked into the possibility of mounting the CS:S GCFs (not illegal, Garry's mod does it and Valve advertises his stuff. It would just mean everyone would have to own CS:S to play FF) but we can't be sure of the numbers that own CS:S. Hell we even researched whether we could make FF a CS:S mod (as CS:S is cheap and it has all the HL2 resources thrown in, so you essentially get 2 for 1) but in the end the only realistic solution was to make FF a regular HL2 mod. We'd already advertised ourselves as a HL2 mod, and there's no concrete proof that the whole CS:S mod stuff would actually work.

It seems there is a huge amount of confusion and ambiguity from valve about the whole "who can play mods?" and "what can you use to make mods?" situation.

o_ginger lord · 03-11-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Defrag

It seems there is a huge amount of confusion and ambiguity from valve about the whole "who can play mods?" and "what can you use to make mods?" situation.

Yeah, the situtation is pretty unclear, the other co-lead on my mod e-mailed Valve and it didnt seem sure they knew either. But we "think" legally you can only use what is provided in the SDK (like 3 other models) plus Source Base content, i.e. anything in sourcematierals.gcf, sourcesounds.gcf etc. Using CS:S and DoD:S stuff is illegal to redestribute.

Defrag · 03-13-2006, 07:35 PM

Yeah that much we gathered. Jon emailed valve and didn't get a reply about making a CS:S mod (or similar), so we just gave up looking and went back to plan A (which we never essentially left, we were just exploring the possibilities).

o_pizzahut · 03-14-2006, 01:03 PM

I have to correct myself a bit.

Apparently, if you don't have Half-Life 2, Source mods aren't listed in the Steam Games tab (nothing new) - *but* you might be able to run Source mods anyway if you own HL2:DM. You just need a shortcut for it, e.g. BG2 creates one during install.

http://forums.bgmod.com/index.php?sh...=0&#entry16113

Defrag · 03-14-2006, 03:22 PM

Thanks for the info. The fact that the mods don't show up in the games list is probably indicative of valve's intent. I wouldn't be surprised if the ability to use a shortcut to launch mods (using HL2 DM only) disappears in future. It might be an oversight either way on valve's part, but we have no real way of knowing unless valve actually lets people know.

03-09-2006, 09:47 PM	#21
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	I think that takes a package now, but originally yeah it came with those. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

03-11-2006, 11:49 AM	#24
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	We're not mounting any CS:S gcfs. The stuff in push was simply taken from the CS:S GCF and then dropped into the FF directory. The vast majority of that stuff has already been removed and none of it will actually be released with FF for two reasons: A: Legality (I'm pretty sure Valve would frown upon taking stuff from one GCF and redistributing it with a mod [as not all players will own CS:S]) B: We want to have our own stuff instead We have looked into the possibility of mounting the CS:S GCFs (not illegal, Garry's mod does it and Valve advertises his stuff. It would just mean everyone would have to own CS:S to play FF) but we can't be sure of the numbers that own CS:S. Hell we even researched whether we could make FF a CS:S mod (as CS:S is cheap and it has all the HL2 resources thrown in, so you essentially get 2 for 1) but in the end the only realistic solution was to make FF a regular HL2 mod. We'd already advertised ourselves as a HL2 mod, and there's no concrete proof that the whole CS:S mod stuff would actually work. It seems there is a huge amount of confusion and ambiguity from valve about the whole "who can play mods?" and "what can you use to make mods?" situation. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot. Last edited by Defrag; 03-11-2006 at 11:54 AM.

03-13-2006, 07:35 PM	#26
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah that much we gathered. Jon emailed valve and didn't get a reply about making a CS:S mod (or similar), so we just gave up looking and went back to plan A (which we never essentially left, we were just exploring the possibilities). __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

03-14-2006, 03:22 PM	#28
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks for the info. The fact that the mods don't show up in the games list is probably indicative of valve's intent. I wouldn't be surprised if the ability to use a shortcut to launch mods (using HL2 DM only) disappears in future. It might be an oversight either way on valve's part, but we have no real way of knowing unless valve actually lets people know. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

03-11-2006, 09:03 AM	#22
o_bubbles Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Possible to play the mod with only HL2Demo installed? =DD

03-11-2006, 11:27 AM	#23
o_ekse Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	and what about DoD:S only ?

03-14-2006, 01:03 PM	#27
o_pizzahut Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I have to correct myself a bit. Apparently, if you don't have Half-Life 2, Source mods aren't listed in the Steam Games tab (nothing new) - but you might be able to run Source mods anyway if you own HL2:DM. You just need a shortcut for it, e.g. BG2 creates one during install. http://forums.bgmod.com/index.php?sh...=0&#entry16113

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