Custom Map Notify

o_mikequist · 07-12-2006, 05:28 PM

Is there going to be any warning of any type about whether or not a map is custom or included? I remember that back when I started TFC and CSS, I couldn't really always tell if it was included or not, and then I was worried I might have to sit downloading a shitty map for an hour.

Will there be any signal or warning or difference that will allude us to the fact its not a real dev map?

Mulchman MM · 07-12-2006, 05:44 PM

if we have that fastdownloadurl thing it's really fast to get a new map. like, really fast...

i didn't have some shitty firefort map a couple of weeks ago playing tfc and i waited all of like... 20 seconds?

it's the same timewise as downloading all those stupid ass .wav's for the first time, heh.

o_rannibunny · 07-12-2006, 06:15 PM

You can use "All-seeing eye" as server browser. If the server is running a map you don't have, it's shown in red...
If the server changes to a map you don't have after you connected, that's a different story though

o_ivaqual · 07-12-2006, 07:45 PM

Fastdownloadurl only works when the following condition is met :

fastdownloadurl is used

Unfortunately it's rarely the case.

o_mikequist · 07-13-2006, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nagual678

Unfortunately it's rarely the case.

Exactly. And I have no problem with what maps are custom becuase I know what is quality DEV stuff and whats not.

HOWEVER, noobs dont. And when JoeSomebody01 logs in and clicks some map called SHITFORT06 and it turns out to be a real shitfort...that's not exactly the best impression we can give a player.

Is there a way to in shade servers with custom maps in grey or make the map name red?

o_atari · 07-13-2006, 09:08 AM

If the maps shit, then a) the map won't be on more than one server b) it won't be around very long c) the new player will make up their own mind, and find another map.

o_mikequist · 07-13-2006, 09:21 AM

Ok...for example...I decide one night last week I'll finally try "The Hidden" Fast download. I get all 200 or so megs in about 3 minutes. Not too bad. Now I go in to play and I pick the server with the lowest ping/highest player ratio. I get some shitty custom server with a million sounds. So here I am downloading those for what seems like an eternity. Then comes the map. To be honest I had walked away for about 10 minutes while the game enjoyed downloading the shit galore, so I could not be sure whether it was a custom map or not. But it certainly was not the best mapping I have ever seen. So I had a bad time, and left. Never played the game since. Did I join another server in hopes of a better game? No. I gave the mod it's chance and it failed.

Yeah, I probably should have tried again, and you could sit here all day and convince me otherwise, and you would win. But you WONT convince the thousands of people who will download this mod to give it another chance. If people don't like mods, they usually quit right away.

I'm just suggesting that perhaps we make sure that the players play a real quality map first.

o_atari · 07-13-2006, 09:38 AM

Didn't mean to sound negative, I think you have a good point.

o_ghost · 07-13-2006, 11:40 AM

AFAIK, the dev team has no control over the steam menus like the server browser. When starting a game I would hope people would be smart enough to figure out that if you have to download a map then you don't have it. What are you suggesting? A message that pops up as you start joining the server or something?

I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I just think that it's an idea that can't really be implemented in a usefull manor. Please correct me if I'm wrong about the control the SDK gives you over the steam menus in the game.

Mulchman MM · 07-13-2006, 02:37 PM

We still can't stop people from having bad/shitty maps on their server rotation. If someone trying the mod for the first time happens to connect to said shitty map server and quits and never plays the mod again I don't think there's anything we can do there.

o_imbrifer · 07-13-2006, 03:58 PM

You can call The Cleaner...

o_etzell · 07-13-2006, 04:59 PM

If you'd sit through a million downloads, play a shitty map, and quit the mod altogether, you didn't exactly expect much from the mod.

o_rannibunny · 07-13-2006, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mulchman MM

We still can't stop people from having bad/shitty maps on their server rotation. If someone trying the mod for the first time happens to connect to said shitty map server and quits and never plays the mod again I don't think there's anything we can do there.

I already punish people who don't play Shadowrun with the standard rules so I think I can fit punishing "bad taste in maps" in as well...

Circuitous · 07-14-2006, 02:28 AM

There's one thing the dev team CAN do.

sv_downloadfilter none by default.

07-12-2006, 05:28 PM	#1
o_mikequist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tampa Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Custom Map Notify Is there going to be any warning of any type about whether or not a map is custom or included? I remember that back when I started TFC and CSS, I couldn't really always tell if it was included or not, and then I was worried I might have to sit downloading a shitty map for an hour. Will there be any signal or warning or difference that will allude us to the fact its not a real dev map?

07-12-2006, 05:44 PM	#2
Mulchman MM Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lacey, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	if we have that fastdownloadurl thing it's really fast to get a new map. like, really fast... i didn't have some shitty firefort map a couple of weeks ago playing tfc and i waited all of like... 20 seconds? it's the same timewise as downloading all those stupid ass .wav's for the first time, heh. __________________ Head of the Orca Revolution (TM)

07-12-2006, 07:45 PM	#4
o_ivaqual Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe, Front Yard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Fastdownloadurl only works when the following condition is met : fastdownloadurl is used Unfortunately it's rarely the case.

07-13-2006, 02:37 PM	#10
Mulchman MM Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lacey, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	We still can't stop people from having bad/shitty maps on their server rotation. If someone trying the mod for the first time happens to connect to said shitty map server and quits and never plays the mod again I don't think there's anything we can do there. __________________ Head of the Orca Revolution (TM)

07-14-2006, 02:28 AM	#14
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	There's one thing the dev team CAN do. sv_downloadfilter none by default. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

07-12-2006, 06:15 PM	#3
o_rannibunny Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You can use "All-seeing eye" as server browser. If the server is running a map you don't have, it's shown in red... If the server changes to a map you don't have after you connected, that's a different story though

07-13-2006, 09:08 AM	#6
o_atari Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somerset, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If the maps shit, then a) the map won't be on more than one server b) it won't be around very long c) the new player will make up their own mind, and find another map.

07-13-2006, 09:21 AM	#7
o_mikequist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tampa Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ok...for example...I decide one night last week I'll finally try "The Hidden" Fast download. I get all 200 or so megs in about 3 minutes. Not too bad. Now I go in to play and I pick the server with the lowest ping/highest player ratio. I get some shitty custom server with a million sounds. So here I am downloading those for what seems like an eternity. Then comes the map. To be honest I had walked away for about 10 minutes while the game enjoyed downloading the shit galore, so I could not be sure whether it was a custom map or not. But it certainly was not the best mapping I have ever seen. So I had a bad time, and left. Never played the game since. Did I join another server in hopes of a better game? No. I gave the mod it's chance and it failed. Yeah, I probably should have tried again, and you could sit here all day and convince me otherwise, and you would win. But you WONT convince the thousands of people who will download this mod to give it another chance. If people don't like mods, they usually quit right away. I'm just suggesting that perhaps we make sure that the players play a real quality map first.

07-13-2006, 09:38 AM	#8
o_atari Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somerset, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Didn't mean to sound negative, I think you have a good point.

07-13-2006, 11:40 AM	#9
o_ghost Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	AFAIK, the dev team has no control over the steam menus like the server browser. When starting a game I would hope people would be smart enough to figure out that if you have to download a map then you don't have it. What are you suggesting? A message that pops up as you start joining the server or something? I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I just think that it's an idea that can't really be implemented in a usefull manor. Please correct me if I'm wrong about the control the SDK gives you over the steam menus in the game.

07-13-2006, 03:58 PM	#11
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You can call The Cleaner...

07-13-2006, 04:59 PM	#12
o_etzell Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If you'd sit through a million downloads, play a shitty map, and quit the mod altogether, you didn't exactly expect much from the mod.

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