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Ihmhi · 06-12-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefox11

Lol zE, wtf xD

Seriously, don't worry anymore. You tried to contact him, you couldn't, still gave credit on the readme files. Should be good enough!

That's about as fair as you can be.

Try to contact the mapper. Can't get a hold of him? Credit him in the remake anyway. Most mappers would agree that is good enough, I think.

I playtested this map. It's fun. I also fell a lot. /=

Nezumi · 06-13-2008, 02:45 AM

Yea, that's what I did with Tiger.

**squeek.** · 06-13-2008, 08:46 AM

Strangest thread ever.

zE, BlisTer and others are trying to protect YOU. Some mappers get VERY angry with people porting their maps (even from HL1 -> Source). Source -> Source is taking it to a new level, though. For the sake of your own protection, you need to do all that you can to get in contact with the original mapper. Taking existing and complete geometry and using it unchanged in your map is much different than taking a HL1 layout and recreating it faithfully and independently for a new mod (decompile a HL1 .bsp and see for yourself).

If you have tried to get in contact with the original creator and cannot, then make that clear and move on. There is no reason to defend yourself in that instance, because you have done nothing wrong. But, right now you are attacking people that have asked you a reasonable question.

bokko · 06-13-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by =AS= zE

i dont think its so diferent tbh im also doing destroy_l with the exact same geometry of tfc one too. If u guys want to erase the post/the dow link its ok with me. It feels like u guys are acusing me of telling that i sayd it was my own map...

Cry me a river, there's a huge difference between remaking a map from scratch and just copying the current geometry of a map and slapping on new textures. You have to realise this. So you couldn't reach the original mapper? Fine, you should still have his name at the loading screen, not yours. If you really feel inclined then add 'ported by ze' in fine print. What you have done know shows lack of respect for the effort put in by the original mapper.

Nice port, awesome map by whoever made it, mind bending shapes in this one.

BlisTer · 06-13-2008, 03:21 PM

As squeek said, dont take this personal with us, it's just a formality check to ensure you tried to contact the original mapper (check the SP link i gave you earlier in irc!) to protect yourself (just as i tried to contact UB). I'm not "out to get you" or anything, on the contrary. I think it's great you make FF maps so frequently, just dont forget about the formality checks!

zE · 06-13-2008, 10:06 PM

ok, u guys won, gonna remove all dowl links photos and etc,
just gonna have it in AS server. If he someday reply my message i ill post it again : ) But i think its kinda hipocrit anyway, several maps around are direct ports.

**squeek.** · 06-13-2008, 10:20 PM

Misunderstandings are bad.

!nF3D4L · 06-13-2008, 10:29 PM

lets get one thing straight THEY JUST ASKED IF YOU GOT (OR ASKED) PREMESSION FROM THE ORIGINAL MAPPER. thats all they wanted to know, an not all of them are direct ports some are some just use concept ideas and general map look and feel while using different textures and dimensions

zE · 06-13-2008, 10:43 PM

I sayd yes several times.. and plz lets end this discussion also plz close this thread.

KubeDawg · 06-13-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

Strangest thread ever.

zE, BlisTer and others are trying to protect YOU. Some mappers get VERY angry with people porting their maps (even from HL1 -> Source). Source -> Source is taking it to a new level, though. For the sake of your own protection, you need to do all that you can to get in contact with the original mapper. Taking existing and complete geometry and using it unchanged in your map is much different than taking a HL1 layout and recreating it faithfully and independently for a new mod (decompile a HL1 .bsp and see for yourself).

If you have tried to get in contact with the original creator and cannot, then make that clear and move on. There is no reason to defend yourself in that instance, because you have done nothing wrong. But, right now you are attacking people that have asked you a reasonable question.

And who the fuck cares if they get angry? As long as they don't have plans to remake their map, it's alright in my book to port or recreate that map. It's not like it's copyrighted material anyway. People are fucking stingy, and if they don't look at it as a compliment that someone would want to port over one of the maps they made to make that mapper even more popular, then that's their problem. I have no problem with providing credit info to tell people who made it, but that's it. It's not like he's going around parading that he actually designed the map...

**squeek.** · 06-13-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

And who the fuck cares if they get angry? As long as they don't have plans to remake their map, it's alright in my book to port or recreate that map. It's not like it's copyrighted material anyway. People are fucking stingy, and if they don't look at it as a compliment that someone would want to port over one of the maps they made to make that mapper even more popular, then that's their problem. I have no problem with providing credit info to tell people who made it, but that's it. It's not like he's going around parading that he actually designed the map...

Something about integrity or respect or whatever you want to call it. Source mapping takes a lot of effort, and, judging by the complexity of the geometry in this map, I'd say it was no easy task for the original creator.

But, zE tried to get permission and couldn't. He did nothing wrong. That's where the misunderstanding part comes in.

Locking thread as requested.

06-13-2008, 02:45 AM	#22
Nezumi Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals. Class/Position: Soldier, O Gametype: Doubble Mode Affiliations: Cassiotone Nation Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Yea, that's what I did with Tiger. __________________ TG: pretty much you have no idea how much i fuckin own at this game. TG: i bested no less than three flaming tornados and broke a huge wizard.

06-13-2008, 08:46 AM	#23
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	Strangest thread ever. zE, BlisTer and others are trying to protect YOU. Some mappers get VERY angry with people porting their maps (even from HL1 -> Source). Source -> Source is taking it to a new level, though. For the sake of your own protection, you need to do all that you can to get in contact with the original mapper. Taking existing and complete geometry and using it unchanged in your map is much different than taking a HL1 layout and recreating it faithfully and independently for a new mod (decompile a HL1 .bsp and see for yourself). If you have tried to get in contact with the original creator and cannot, then make that clear and move on. There is no reason to defend yourself in that instance, because you have done nothing wrong. But, right now you are attacking people that have asked you a reasonable question. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

06-13-2008, 03:21 PM	#25
BlisTer Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	As squeek said, dont take this personal with us, it's just a formality check to ensure you tried to contact the original mapper (check the SP link i gave you earlier in irc!) to protect yourself (just as i tried to contact UB). I'm not "out to get you" or anything, on the contrary. I think it's great you make FF maps so frequently, just dont forget about the formality checks! __________________ Support FF: untils you cry for the mercy like little shaven squirrel in my eating pot. - deathstriker666

06-13-2008, 10:20 PM	#27
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	Misunderstandings are bad. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

06-13-2008, 10:06 PM	#26
zE Pew pew ze beams Join Date: Jan 2008 Gametype: Gathers Affiliations: pew pew Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	ok, u guys won, gonna remove all dowl links photos and etc, just gonna have it in AS server. If he someday reply my message i ill post it again : ) But i think its kinda hipocrit anyway, several maps around are direct ports.

06-13-2008, 10:43 PM	#29
zE Pew pew ze beams Join Date: Jan 2008 Gametype: Gathers Affiliations: pew pew Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	I sayd yes several times.. and plz lets end this discussion also plz close this thread.

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