ff_tiger, a tiger remake. - Page 5

Jiggles · 02-04-2006, 04:05 PM

When is he not?

o_player · 02-04-2006, 07:27 PM

Very atmospheric map

I also like what you have done with it too.

I will write more when I have time.

o_nezumi · 02-05-2006, 10:12 AM

Thanks for the feedback

Ok, guess I'll add another few lights outside. Jiggles, were you talking about the ladder in the laundry room near blue's spawn?
Whenever I can get my hands on some FF textures I'll fix some things up and add a little bit of team coloring to the bases.

Jiggles · 02-05-2006, 06:12 PM

Yeah, it looks like it has supports for attaching to a wall, but it's too far from one.

I like how wide open the map is outside, but I bet it'll be a bitch to optimize

o_nezumi · 02-07-2006, 06:39 AM

Well, it looks like a full vis is possible on this map, it just took 37 hours. Fortunately, it just about doubled the framerate everywhere. If you step into the road in front of the building with the elevator, the framerate there is about 60 instead of about 30.

Jiggles · 02-07-2006, 03:39 PM

Good to know

I love how big the lighthouse is in this version; the old one just seemed way too small.

How are you going to handle the cap point on the tank? The old one was "in" the tank, though that was always kind of annoying.

o_shadow34721 · 02-07-2006, 08:33 PM

why did you only use like 2 cubemaps on the whole map?
reflections are killing it.

o_nezumi · 02-07-2006, 10:41 PM

There are exactly 40 cubemaps in the map, shadow. Your problem might be that you have HDR on in the DM version, which doesn't work and makes the reflective surfaces look all screwy.

As for the tank, I'm not sure. I was thinking of making a useable turret just sitting next to it and having the cap point up on top of the tank. If some modeller really wants to make me a tank that you can go inside I'd be happy but I'm not counting on it. I really don't want to make a brush-tank either. It's a shame too 'cause I loved the tank.

Also:

o_shadow34721 · 02-07-2006, 10:48 PM

nope i definately dont have hdr on :/

o_nezumi · 02-08-2006, 11:03 AM

Could you post a screenshot of a problem area, shadow?

o_stino · 04-04-2006, 09:33 AM

i seem to crash when i try to use your elevator
and 1 other spot, but i cant really say where it is, oh yes, the tunnel at the start of the stairs to the lighthouse, behind a red "warehouse"

o_nezumi · 04-04-2006, 11:46 AM

I know the elevator crashes in the DoD version. It didn't crash in the DM version, did it?

And I've never found the other spot that crashes myself. Was it like up behind the wall behind the lighthouse? If you could point out the spot in a screenshot or something I could try to find it.

o_sidd42 · 04-04-2006, 12:07 PM

Lots of interesting buildings, nice.

I think you've got 2 big problems with this map though.
Visibility: The engine is being forced to draw far more than it needs to, almost everywhere on the map. This is partly caused by a lot of your buildings having several small windows and doors, which can't block the vis. I think if you started to use areaportals and areaportalwindows properly, it might dramatically help your framerate.

Cubemaps: They don't seem to be working properly, in the dm version at least. Just walking round with a crowbar out, in lots of areas you get super bright highlights on the crowbar, in places where that shouldn't happen. Similarly a lot of reflective surfaces like metal railings, roof tiles, don't seem to be using accurate cubemaps.

Also, perhaps just a little brighter outside? I think try and make it as bright and easy to see as possible, without losing the night theme. I don't think it's too far off now.

o_nezumi · 04-04-2006, 12:52 PM

I am using areaportals but none of them close. If closing area portals turns out to work in multiplayer in the end, then I'll certainly use them.

And I'm really not sure about the brightness outside. I tried to make a bunch of the main routes in heavy shadow, but leave areas where people fight and sniping positions in bright light to decrease the effectiveness of snipers here ('cause the original tiger was an enormous snipe fest). I'd like to get an actual game going to test this sort of thing out after FF is released, but regardless this is up for tons of tweaking.

I'm gonna go look over the cubemaps again now.

Jiggles · 04-04-2006, 02:39 PM

They said areaportalwindows work in multi in the other thread (Ardvark). I have had no personal experience, though.

o_luminous · 04-04-2006, 05:16 PM

wont those umm.. seprator things in the roof kinda mess up concing down there :S

o_stino · 04-04-2006, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nezumi

I know the elevator crashes in the DoD version. It didn't crash in the DM version, did it?

And I've never found the other spot that crashes myself. Was it like up behind the wall behind the lighthouse? If you could point out the spot in a screenshot or something I could try to find it.

some stairs in a stretched Z form where theT is the tunnel entrance, in the tunnel you can see a prop: elevator fence but its not an elevater, V is the direction of the lighthous , the -- are stairs
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V _/ T

__
--
--

LIGHTHOUSE

o_stino · 04-04-2006, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidd42

Lots of interesting buildings, nice.

I think you've got 2 big problems with this map though.
Visibility: The engine is being forced to draw far more than it needs to, almost everywhere on the map. This is partly caused by a lot of your buildings having several small windows and doors, which can't block the vis. I think if you started to use areaportals and areaportalwindows properly, it might dramatically help your framerate.

Cubemaps: They don't seem to be working properly, in the dm version at least. Just walking round with a crowbar out, in lots of areas you get super bright highlights on the crowbar, in places where that shouldn't happen. Similarly a lot of reflective surfaces like metal railings, roof tiles, don't seem to be using accurate cubemaps.

Also, perhaps just a little brighter outside? I think try and make it as bright and easy to see as possible, without losing the night theme. I don't think it's too far off now.

"it might dramatically help your framerate."

is 213fps not good enough?

(193 if i look at the water)

o_beetle · 04-04-2006, 07:26 PM

I never needed to conc at that point in that pic, luminous. What would be the usefullness?

o_nezumi · 04-05-2006, 03:41 AM

Sorry stino, I still don't think I know where you mean.

Luminous: That hall is right outside of red's spawn. Generally all of the concing you'll need to do will be outside in the huge wide open spaces. You may need to do some concing in the blue warehouse to get to the cap point there but the roof is really high in there. Concing in the lighthouse might get kinda wierd though because of the floors breaking it up, but it should still be effective.

As for the cubemaps, the only place I noticed a real discrepancy was right outside blue's base, around the tank. I can put in another cubemap or two there. I'm also going to turn up the resolution on the one cubemap that's giving the washing machines in the laundry room their reflections.

04-04-2006, 09:33 AM	#91
o_stino Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i seem to crash when i try to use your elevator and 1 other spot, but i cant really say where it is, oh yes, the tunnel at the start of the stairs to the lighthouse, behind a red "warehouse" Last edited by o_stino; 04-04-2006 at 09:45 AM.

02-04-2006, 04:05 PM	#81
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	When is he not?

02-04-2006, 07:27 PM	#82
o_player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Very atmospheric map I also like what you have done with it too. I will write more when I have time.

02-05-2006, 10:12 AM	#83
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks for the feedback Ok, guess I'll add another few lights outside. Jiggles, were you talking about the ladder in the laundry room near blue's spawn? Whenever I can get my hands on some FF textures I'll fix some things up and add a little bit of team coloring to the bases.

02-05-2006, 06:12 PM	#84
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, it looks like it has supports for attaching to a wall, but it's too far from one. I like how wide open the map is outside, but I bet it'll be a bitch to optimize

02-07-2006, 06:39 AM	#85
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, it looks like a full vis is possible on this map, it just took 37 hours. Fortunately, it just about doubled the framerate everywhere. If you step into the road in front of the building with the elevator, the framerate there is about 60 instead of about 30.

02-07-2006, 03:39 PM	#86
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Good to know I love how big the lighthouse is in this version; the old one just seemed way too small. How are you going to handle the cap point on the tank? The old one was "in" the tank, though that was always kind of annoying.

02-07-2006, 08:33 PM	#87
o_shadow34721 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	why did you only use like 2 cubemaps on the whole map? reflections are killing it.

02-07-2006, 10:41 PM	#88
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There are exactly 40 cubemaps in the map, shadow. Your problem might be that you have HDR on in the DM version, which doesn't work and makes the reflective surfaces look all screwy. As for the tank, I'm not sure. I was thinking of making a useable turret just sitting next to it and having the cap point up on top of the tank. If some modeller really wants to make me a tank that you can go inside I'd be happy but I'm not counting on it. I really don't want to make a brush-tank either. It's a shame too 'cause I loved the tank. Also:

02-07-2006, 10:48 PM	#89
o_shadow34721 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	nope i definately dont have hdr on :/

02-08-2006, 11:03 AM	#90
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Could you post a screenshot of a problem area, shadow?

04-04-2006, 11:46 AM	#92
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I know the elevator crashes in the DoD version. It didn't crash in the DM version, did it? And I've never found the other spot that crashes myself. Was it like up behind the wall behind the lighthouse? If you could point out the spot in a screenshot or something I could try to find it.

04-04-2006, 12:07 PM	#93
o_sidd42 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Lots of interesting buildings, nice. I think you've got 2 big problems with this map though. Visibility: The engine is being forced to draw far more than it needs to, almost everywhere on the map. This is partly caused by a lot of your buildings having several small windows and doors, which can't block the vis. I think if you started to use areaportals and areaportalwindows properly, it might dramatically help your framerate. Cubemaps: They don't seem to be working properly, in the dm version at least. Just walking round with a crowbar out, in lots of areas you get super bright highlights on the crowbar, in places where that shouldn't happen. Similarly a lot of reflective surfaces like metal railings, roof tiles, don't seem to be using accurate cubemaps. Also, perhaps just a little brighter outside? I think try and make it as bright and easy to see as possible, without losing the night theme. I don't think it's too far off now.

04-04-2006, 12:52 PM	#94
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I am using areaportals but none of them close. If closing area portals turns out to work in multiplayer in the end, then I'll certainly use them. And I'm really not sure about the brightness outside. I tried to make a bunch of the main routes in heavy shadow, but leave areas where people fight and sniping positions in bright light to decrease the effectiveness of snipers here ('cause the original tiger was an enormous snipe fest). I'd like to get an actual game going to test this sort of thing out after FF is released, but regardless this is up for tons of tweaking. I'm gonna go look over the cubemaps again now.

04-04-2006, 02:39 PM	#95
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	They said areaportalwindows work in multi in the other thread (Ardvark). I have had no personal experience, though.

04-04-2006, 05:16 PM	#96
o_luminous Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	wont those umm.. seprator things in the roof kinda mess up concing down there :S

04-04-2006, 07:26 PM	#99
o_beetle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southern USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I never needed to conc at that point in that pic, luminous. What would be the usefullness?

04-05-2006, 03:41 AM	#100
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Sorry stino, I still don't think I know where you mean. Luminous: That hall is right outside of red's spawn. Generally all of the concing you'll need to do will be outside in the huge wide open spaces. You may need to do some concing in the blue warehouse to get to the cap point there but the roof is really high in there. Concing in the lighthouse might get kinda wierd though because of the floors breaking it up, but it should still be effective. As for the cubemaps, the only place I noticed a real discrepancy was right outside blue's base, around the tank. I can put in another cubemap or two there. I'm also going to turn up the resolution on the one cubemap that's giving the washing machines in the laundry room their reflections.

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