Why isn't the FF out yet???

o_soundchaser · 09-17-2006, 12:46 AM

I thought FF was supposed to be up and running at the beginning of August?!?!?!

I know that VALVE screwed that up with the SDK update.

But now that FF has the servers operational, why not honor your past official release and RELEASE IT ALREADY!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Seems to me that since FF devteam knows that TF2 will be out next year....they have relaxed a bit and decided to to launch it whenever.....possibly a month before TF2 is out???

Come on guys...we're all sick of the bull...it was supposed to be out at the beginning of August.....just release it already!!!!!!

o_yoda891 · 09-17-2006, 12:49 AM

They said they would have a beta version, and that it would be closed, not public.

We have no idea if they are testing right now unless they tell us. For all we know they have 50 testers selected and testing right now.

o_frenchtoast · 09-17-2006, 12:49 AM

ROAR IBTL!

Seriously... who said beginning of august as a definite? They've only ever said 'when it's done'. And just 'cause a servers up doesn't mean the game is in decent condition. Even in the video they were still using placeholder skins.

So... please bitch in the appropriate and designated thread. We're all waiting, we all want it, but we keep shit like this in a place where people don't have to see it.

o_soundchaser · 09-17-2006, 12:53 AM

i'm just rambling....just want to play...sick of waiting..

blah blah blah blah

o_soundchaser · 09-17-2006, 12:54 AM

BTW..... Dustbowl Valley looks awesome...thanks for the movie Devteam!!!

it ownz

o_rep` · 09-17-2006, 12:55 AM

BECAUSE GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME.

STOP FUCKING ASKING THIS STUPID DATE/DEADLINE QUESTIONS.

THIS CAPS LOCK BETTER SHOW HOW MUCH I HATE YOU.

o_alligator · 09-17-2006, 12:56 AM

Shut up. Good things comes from being patient. They said it was a closed beta....it is none of your concern.

o_bumgravy · 09-17-2006, 01:07 AM

you should totally ask for your money back you spent pre-ordering

Circuitous · 09-17-2006, 01:08 AM

Holy damn, man, you're so way off it's sorta funny, but far too infuriatingly ignorant for me to laugh at.

o_nuk3m · 09-17-2006, 01:12 AM

OH BOY BATMAN WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? I DONT KNOW LOOKS LIKE A KNOW IT ALL. WHATS THAT BATMAN? SOMEONE WHO THINKS HES A GENIOUS! REALLY BATMAN? YEA ROBIN!

WELL THEN YIPPIDY DO DA MOTHER FUCKING YEEE HA TO FUCKING HIM! DIT THE CHEERS BATTEN DOWN THE BATCHES AND GO FUCK YOURSELF!!

o_nex nicholai · 09-17-2006, 02:15 AM

IBTL...

RTFFAQ...

LOLZ...

Good things come to those who wait... although if you didnt know about FF to begin with, you wouldnt be waiting for anything and your life would just go on as usual... IDEA!

Check it, smack yourself silly with a hammer/rock/gentleman's choice to the point of braindamage so you erase all knowledge of FF. Then when its finished, youll be totally suprised and happy and you wouldnt have waited at all. Youll have to endure some drooling problems, but thats why chuck norris invented bibs (that and BBQ).

o_vampiricus · 09-17-2006, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundchaser

BTW..... Dustbowl Valley looks awesome...thanks for the movie Devteam!!!

it ownz

way to shove that foot in further in...

o_skull · 09-17-2006, 03:14 AM

Because it isn't ready yet?

o_nezumi · 09-17-2006, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Circuitous

Holy damn, man, you're so way off it's sorta funny, but far too infuriatingly ignorant for me to laugh at.

Me too.

o_radio · 09-17-2006, 07:47 AM

i'm guessing that they have started the closed beta already

o_dammage · 09-17-2006, 02:59 PM

a few days ago Phish said that he was intended to be the mentor of the the beta team and that picking will start soon. Bite me if I'm wrong.

o_frenchtoast · 09-17-2006, 03:17 PM

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the fact that the dev team is having regular beta tests and crunching bugs and what not, does that not constitute a beta?

o_ginger lord · 09-17-2006, 03:34 PM

Internal dev team testing is more like alpha testing, could be beta if the game is pretty much feature-complete however.

Definition varies between teams and countries.

o_dammage · 09-17-2006, 03:36 PM

people have a bit of a misconeption, what a beta stadium actually means. It doesn't mean a test, it doesn't mean closed testing, it doesn't mean open testing. It also doesn't mean testing at all.
It means that an application is basically done and there could be some issues in this application - bugs, missing features, TODOs, debug outputs, crashes and such stuff. It could be perfectly perfect, too. Although tagged beta. See Q3F latest version.
It just signalizes that the application is not so broken as usually in alpha and possibly not as polished as release candidate versions.

Just think of done-o-meter: design - dev/prototypes - alpha - beta - release candidate - final.
I can say that this one:

Code:

#!/usr/bin/python
print "Hello world"

is mature enough to be tagged as final.

while

Code:

int x = int_input(); //pseudocode ;) 
int* ptr = NULL;
if (x < 10)
  ptr = &x;
*ptr++;

is a single sin and is not even mature for a prototype (just throw it away). I've seen this in products which were SOLD. Segmentation faults on bad input (>10), no int checking (input "a") and so on.

This was for opensource world. Inside one version. On overall, an application has everything what the developer wanted to make into it with version 1.0. But it can be perfectly working with version 0.072

On the other hand we have the payware world where the first release - tagged 1.0 or X or <year> is usually the alpha stadium and it matures only with later releases. Every version there also (or not) goes through maturity levels - software doesn't fall from the sky - but usually what is - from maturity level - an alpha in opensource, is the first release in such corporations as symantec, microsoft and such stuff.

As for testing: a mass of fully different "noobs" (in terms of experience with the application) with different habits, different systems, different experience levels and different attitude can find far more issues than a bunch of developers who do it routinely.

o_frenchtoast · 09-17-2006, 03:37 PM

Well, my point is that they're doing exactly what a beta test team would be doing.

EDIT: this @ Ginger.

09-17-2006, 12:46 AM	#1
o_soundchaser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cow Hampshire USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Why isn't the FF out yet??? I thought FF was supposed to be up and running at the beginning of August?!?!?! I know that VALVE screwed that up with the SDK update. But now that FF has the servers operational, why not honor your past official release and RELEASE IT ALREADY!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Seems to me that since FF devteam knows that TF2 will be out next year....they have relaxed a bit and decided to to launch it whenever.....possibly a month before TF2 is out??? Come on guys...we're all sick of the bull...it was supposed to be out at the beginning of August.....just release it already!!!!!!

09-17-2006, 01:08 AM	#9
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Holy damn, man, you're so way off it's sorta funny, but far too infuriatingly ignorant for me to laugh at. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

09-17-2006, 03:36 PM	#19
o_dammage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	people have a bit of a misconeption, what a beta stadium actually means. It doesn't mean a test, it doesn't mean closed testing, it doesn't mean open testing. It also doesn't mean testing at all. It means that an application is basically done and there could be some issues in this application - bugs, missing features, TODOs, debug outputs, crashes and such stuff. It could be perfectly perfect, too. Although tagged beta. See Q3F latest version. It just signalizes that the application is not so broken as usually in alpha and possibly not as polished as release candidate versions. Just think of done-o-meter: design - dev/prototypes - alpha - beta - release candidate - final. I can say that this one: Code: #!/usr/bin/python print "Hello world" is mature enough to be tagged as final. while Code: int x = int_input(); //pseudocode ;) int* ptr = NULL; if (x < 10) ptr = &x; ptr++; is a single sin and is not even mature for a prototype (just throw it away). I've seen this in products which were SOLD. Segmentation faults on bad input (>10), no int checking (input "a") and so on. This was for opensource world. Inside one version. On overall, an application has everything what the developer wanted to make into it with version 1.0. But it can be perfectly working with version 0.072 On the other hand we have the payware world where the first release - tagged 1.0 or X or <year> is usually the alpha stadium and it matures only with later releases. Every version there also (or not) goes through maturity levels - software doesn't fall from the sky - but usually what is - from maturity level - an alpha in opensource, is the first release in such corporations as symantec, microsoft and such stuff. As for testing: a mass of fully different "noobs" (in terms of experience with the application) with different habits, different systems, different experience levels and different attitude can find far more issues than a bunch of developers who do it routinely. Last edited by o_dammage; 09-17-2006 at 03:43 PM.*

09-17-2006, 12:49 AM	#2
o_yoda891 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	They said they would have a beta version, and that it would be closed, not public. We have no idea if they are testing right now unless they tell us. For all we know they have 50 testers selected and testing right now.

09-17-2006, 12:49 AM	#3
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ROAR IBTL! Seriously... who said beginning of august as a definite? They've only ever said 'when it's done'. And just 'cause a servers up doesn't mean the game is in decent condition. Even in the video they were still using placeholder skins. So... please bitch in the appropriate and designated thread. We're all waiting, we all want it, but we keep shit like this in a place where people don't have to see it.

09-17-2006, 12:53 AM	#4
o_soundchaser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cow Hampshire USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i'm just rambling....just want to play...sick of waiting.. blah blah blah blah

09-17-2006, 12:54 AM	#5
o_soundchaser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cow Hampshire USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	BTW..... Dustbowl Valley looks awesome...thanks for the movie Devteam!!! it ownz

09-17-2006, 12:55 AM	#6
o_rep` Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cal Poly Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	BECAUSE GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME. STOP FUCKING ASKING THIS STUPID DATE/DEADLINE QUESTIONS. THIS CAPS LOCK BETTER SHOW HOW MUCH I HATE YOU.

09-17-2006, 12:56 AM	#7
o_alligator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Shut up. Good things comes from being patient. They said it was a closed beta....it is none of your concern.

09-17-2006, 01:07 AM	#8
o_bumgravy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	you should totally ask for your money back you spent pre-ordering

09-17-2006, 01:12 AM	#10
o_nuk3m Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersy, USA! reppin' Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	OH BOY BATMAN WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? I DONT KNOW LOOKS LIKE A KNOW IT ALL. WHATS THAT BATMAN? SOMEONE WHO THINKS HES A GENIOUS! REALLY BATMAN? YEA ROBIN! WELL THEN YIPPIDY DO DA MOTHER FUCKING YEEE HA TO FUCKING HIM! DIT THE CHEERS BATTEN DOWN THE BATCHES AND GO FUCK YOURSELF!!

09-17-2006, 02:15 AM	#11
o_nex nicholai Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	IBTL... RTFFAQ... LOLZ... Good things come to those who wait... although if you didnt know about FF to begin with, you wouldnt be waiting for anything and your life would just go on as usual... IDEA! Check it, smack yourself silly with a hammer/rock/gentleman's choice to the point of braindamage so you erase all knowledge of FF. Then when its finished, youll be totally suprised and happy and you wouldnt have waited at all. Youll have to endure some drooling problems, but thats why chuck norris invented bibs (that and BBQ).

09-17-2006, 03:14 AM	#13
o_skull Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Because it isn't ready yet?

09-17-2006, 07:47 AM	#15
o_radio Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i'm guessing that they have started the closed beta already

09-17-2006, 02:59 PM	#16
o_dammage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	a few days ago Phish said that he was intended to be the mentor of the the beta team and that picking will start soon. Bite me if I'm wrong.

09-17-2006, 03:17 PM	#17
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, if I'm not mistaken, the fact that the dev team is having regular beta tests and crunching bugs and what not, does that not constitute a beta?

09-17-2006, 03:34 PM	#18
o_ginger lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Carlisle, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Internal dev team testing is more like alpha testing, could be beta if the game is pretty much feature-complete however. Definition varies between teams and countries.

09-17-2006, 03:37 PM	#20
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, my point is that they're doing exactly what a beta test team would be doing. EDIT: this @ Ginger.

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