Loose Change 2nd Edition

o_flyingcow · 07-24-2006, 09:26 AM

K I searched the forums. Seems some of you have seen Loose Change. This is the second edition. I haven't seen the first one so i dont know what to compare.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12457137943386
The video is very interesting for those who havent seen it.

I would not be entirely surprised if the world trade center attacks were infact staged, but the pentagon attack is obviously fake due to the massive evidence that disproves the whole thing.

This would not be the first time that our country killed its own people to get the sympathy of the people.

**mervaka** · 07-24-2006, 10:10 AM

i've always thought the WTC collapsed too conveniently...

o_littleandroidman · 07-24-2006, 11:05 AM

Loose Change has been debunked. There is a version out there that is much more factual, and doesn't rely on scattered and otherwise random facts.

o_kam · 07-24-2006, 11:12 AM

There's a lot of bullshit in this.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

o_robg · 07-24-2006, 11:42 AM

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
http://www.911myths.com/

**mervaka** · 07-24-2006, 03:10 PM

kam, theres quite a flaw in the screwloosechange one too. the loose change video goes on about a B52 stratofortress bomber going into the side of the empire state building. thats a fucking huge plane. this guy then suddenly skews his story, and starts talking about a B25 mitchell bomber. this was considerably smaller. the B52 was 185ft wide and an unlaiden weight of 185,000lb while the B25 is only 67ft 6in wide and weighs 21,120lb unlaiden. while the B25 carries only 692 gallons of fuel, the B52 carries 46,000 gallons. can i also say that the B52 has eight jet engines, while the B25 has two PROPELLER engines. this guy speaks just as much shit as the guy that made loose change.

just to wrap things up:

B52 Stratofortress:

B25 Mitchell:

o_dancingfool · 07-24-2006, 03:15 PM

Oh God, please don't start...

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 07-24-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DancingFool

Oh God, please don't start...

:word:

o_yomamashouse · 07-24-2006, 05:18 PM

A lot of that seems like conspiracy theory bullshit but at the same time there are a lot of questions that are unanswered which the Government could quite easily answer, raising quite a lot of suspicion. For the time being my stance on this topic is: confused.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 07-24-2006, 05:22 PM

It was Leroy Jenkins that smashed into the Pentagon...he's a disaster wherever he goes!

o_backstaber · 07-24-2006, 05:25 PM

Well, I don't particularly have a great problem with them not answering questions, I'm sure that within the next few years more people will be willing to answer them because there is a chance that answering them now may give information to the enemy when we don't want them to have it. It just bothers me that people who don't understand something fully jump to conclusions very fast and accuse people of things.

o_dancingfool · 07-24-2006, 05:27 PM

Alright, Jihad, let's do this ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HU AKBAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

Oh God he just flew in.

Why do you do this shit Leeroy? Leeroy you are stupid as hell.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 07-24-2006, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DancingFool

Alright, Jihad, let's do this ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HU AKBAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

Oh God he just flew in.

Why do you do this shit Leeroy? Leeroy you are stupid as hell.

o_littleandroidman · 07-24-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleAndroidMan

Loose Change has been debunked. There is a version out there that is much more factual, and doesn't rely on scattered and otherwise random facts.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...67662031629480

o_frenchtoast · 07-24-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Backstaber

I'm sure that within the next few years more people will be willing to answer them because there is a chance that answering them now may give information to the enemy when we don't want them to have it.

Lamest excuse ever. We want to know why metal girders melted a few hundred degrees below their threshold. Heaven forbid that information gets into the hands of the enemy.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 07-24-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Lamest excuse ever. We want to know why metal girders melted a few hundred degrees below their threshold. Heaven forbid that information gets into the hands of the enemy.

Along those lines FT I am curious as to how anyone could know that the temps were a couple hundred degrees below melting threshhold. It seems to me that this was an emergency and certainly no one would have been at the site measuring temperatures. Or is this real world vs calculated values?

o_frenchtoast · 07-24-2006, 08:59 PM

It's the temperature a fire like that would reach, which the WTC was specifically designed to be able to withstand.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 07-24-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast

It's the temperature a fire like that would reach, which the WTC was specifically designed to be able to withstand.

Would reach? So we're talking text book? Not real world measured. Ever see something happen in a way engineers never predicted? Ever see something built out to match the specs of an Architect or Engineer? FWIW, I worked in construction much of my childhood and several years as an adult as well. In that time I heard over and over about friction between engineers/architects and builders. Quite often what comes off the engineers desk does not match "as built" identically. Plus there are the real world variables that cannot be captured in trying to piece this out calc wise. More than enough room for doubting those who would lean towards the side of conspiracy. From what I can tell...those conspiracy nuts look for things to support their theory instead of simply examining the evidence and going from there.

**mervaka** · 07-24-2006, 09:28 PM

i'm with FT on this one. they were able to identify most of the bodies... those would have been incinerated long before any metal would have

07-24-2006, 09:26 AM	#1
o_flyingcow Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Loose Change 2nd Edition K I searched the forums. Seems some of you have seen Loose Change. This is the second edition. I haven't seen the first one so i dont know what to compare. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12457137943386 The video is very interesting for those who havent seen it. I would not be entirely surprised if the world trade center attacks were infact staged, but the pentagon attack is obviously fake due to the massive evidence that disproves the whole thing. This would not be the first time that our country killed its own people to get the sympathy of the people.

07-24-2006, 10:10 AM	#2
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	i've always thought the WTC collapsed too conveniently... __________________ Support FF:

07-24-2006, 03:10 PM	#6
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	kam, theres quite a flaw in the screwloosechange one too. the loose change video goes on about a B52 stratofortress bomber going into the side of the empire state building. thats a fucking huge plane. this guy then suddenly skews his story, and starts talking about a B25 mitchell bomber. this was considerably smaller. the B52 was 185ft wide and an unlaiden weight of 185,000lb while the B25 is only 67ft 6in wide and weighs 21,120lb unlaiden. while the B25 carries only 692 gallons of fuel, the B52 carries 46,000 gallons. can i also say that the B52 has eight jet engines, while the B25 has two PROPELLER engines. this guy speaks just as much shit as the guy that made loose change. just to wrap things up: B52 Stratofortress: B25 Mitchell: __________________ Support FF:

07-24-2006, 09:28 PM	#19
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	i'm with FT on this one. they were able to identify most of the bodies... those would have been incinerated long before any metal would have __________________ Support FF:

07-24-2006, 11:05 AM	#3
o_littleandroidman Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Loose Change has been debunked. There is a version out there that is much more factual, and doesn't rely on scattered and otherwise random facts.

07-24-2006, 11:12 AM	#4
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There's a lot of bullshit in this. http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

07-24-2006, 11:42 AM	#5
o_robg Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/ http://www.911myths.com/

07-24-2006, 03:15 PM	#7
o_dancingfool Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Oh God, please don't start...

07-24-2006, 05:18 PM	#9
o_yomamashouse Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Your Mamas House Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	A lot of that seems like conspiracy theory bullshit but at the same time there are a lot of questions that are unanswered which the Government could quite easily answer, raising quite a lot of suspicion. For the time being my stance on this topic is: confused.

07-24-2006, 05:22 PM	#10
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It was Leroy Jenkins that smashed into the Pentagon...he's a disaster wherever he goes!

07-24-2006, 05:25 PM	#11
o_backstaber Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, I don't particularly have a great problem with them not answering questions, I'm sure that within the next few years more people will be willing to answer them because there is a chance that answering them now may give information to the enemy when we don't want them to have it. It just bothers me that people who don't understand something fully jump to conclusions very fast and accuse people of things.

07-24-2006, 05:27 PM	#12
o_dancingfool Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Alright, Jihad, let's do this ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HU AKBAAAAAAAAAAAAAR! Oh God he just flew in. Why do you do this shit Leeroy? Leeroy you are stupid as hell.

07-24-2006, 08:59 PM	#17
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's the temperature a fire like that would reach, which the WTC was specifically designed to be able to withstand.

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