Prepare for FF, hone your skills with ZelTF (threads merged from chat) - Page 6

Titan` · 06-28-2007, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihmhi

I suggest you give up. The TF community is practically dead, with TFC catching up fast. d:

So my best bet is to wait for FF?

I've already fallen out of TFC, all my clans are gone (or the original members of them at least) but it looks like a few old people play qwtf.. So I was trying to get this to work >.<

06-28-2007, 04:48 AM

Ok, so there are a few issues here which I will try to adress.

Firsty zelTF is designed for vanilla tf, and is updated with the latest OZTF mod, however it WILL support megaTF and customTF, which is why the servers are included on the list. However I do not support this compatability in any way because I know nothing about these two variants. You will however have to download a whole bunch of files on your first connection to either of these servers.

Yes, in the current version you can NOT alter your controls in the controls menu. These controls are just quake controls anyway, all the real key bindings are found in /fortress/fortress.cfg and classname.cfg, ie soldier.cfg. In the final release I will make it so that you can edit your controls in game, or if not, then by a small setup program that comes with zelTF.

Finally I am hearing people are having trouble with the download, I'm sorry I'm trying to fix this up now. Use a download manager and it should be fine or otherwise wait till I find an alternative server.

I looked at the SMBC client server package being mentioned in this thread and I would like to point out that it is a customTF package, and this is a different mod all together. (Rather than choosing a class, you start with money and buy weapons and features).

The first stable ZelTF release should be out within a few weeks.

Thankyou all for your feedback and stick with it. Oh, and please, read the readme.txt that comes with the program before asking questions.

Good luck.

06-28-2007, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Circuitous

I was using the server list he provided as a link, looking for ones that just said TF. Didn't do me a whole lot of good.

You are using beta 1. Update to beta 2 for a TF only server list.

Circuitous · 06-28-2007, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zel

I looked at the SMBC client server package being mentioned in this thread and I would like to point out that it is a customTF package, and this is a different mod all together. (Rather than choosing a class, you start with money and buy weapons and features).

There's a standard QWTF option (and server).

06-28-2007, 08:55 AM

yeah i just downloaded and checked it out.

it will work, but i wouldn't say much more than that for it.

Circuitous · 06-28-2007, 09:18 AM

...is working not the idea anymore?

06-28-2007, 02:52 PM

lol circuitous, no serious tf player would take that bundle seriously, it is outdated, and competitively useless. ZelTF works great and I have gone to a lot of trouble to make a version which is graphically superiour and competitively geared. If it doesn't work for you I'd be happy to help you. Anyone who wants to play the SMBC version, should just download ezquake and tf28.zip thats all it is plus a couple of maps. It doesnt even use hardware rendering. Have a look at this comparative screenshot and decide.

SMBC Fortress

ZelTF

And the gfx is only a small part of the huge difference between these two bundles. I wont go into all the changes I've implemented because they are all outlined in the ZelTF forum thread over at:

http://quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1905

Needless to say the current qwtf community has embraced the bundle, and I encourage anyone who is interested in playing qwtf to give it a go.

GhOsT · 06-28-2007, 03:00 PM

Boy, that first screenshot really brings me back.

Titan` · 06-28-2007, 08:42 PM

I got it working and all, the controls are a bit diff than TFC, but perhaps I'll edit them (grenades to F/G, stuff like that).

Now if only there were some players in the servers

Circuitous · 06-29-2007, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zel

lol circuitous, no serious tf player would take that bundle seriously, it is outdated, and competitively useless. ZelTF works great and I have gone to a lot of trouble to make a version which is graphically superiour and competitively geared. If it doesn't work for you I'd be happy to help you. Anyone who wants to play the SMBC version, should just download ezquake and tf28.zip thats all it is plus a couple of maps. It doesnt even use hardware rendering.

What, exactly, is out-dated about it? Did they release a new version of TF while I wasn't looking?

How is yours more competitively-geared, because you include scripts? It can't be the models/graphics.

It's not that ZelTF didn't work, it just didn't work well, in my case. Aside from your included scripts, hardware rendering (which I think the SMBC bundle actually has anyway), and "better" models (in quotes because they're actually kind of awful), I fail to see how it's fundamentally better than any other QuakeTF package in existence.

In compact form: sorry, I don't think I'll be using this to play QWTF any time soon.

biter · 06-29-2007, 06:01 AM

Circ, you shouldn't bag on zel's installer because it didnt come bloated with all the beavis and butthead sounds you need to play mega or custom tf. TFC doesnt come with all the NeoTF extras. The qwtf scene has actually needed something like zel's bundle for a long time.

I agree with you about some of the models, but the high-res textures and lit files really make some maps gorgeous (32smooth, tf2k, 2night2), and the grenades, sentry, and dispenser models are all a huge improvement. Setting up a gren timer can be a huge pain in qwtf, and the package comes with a good selection of maps (in their correct versions) and the loc files to go with them.

AND it comes with the best quake client, which is probably why zel said what he did about the other bundle. Ezquake is still being worked on, and if you have the time you should check out how deep its features go. MVD demos are cool, and with ezquake you can watch multiple perspectives split screen if you want. I know a few recent matches have been uploaded here:

http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.ph...=demos&game=38

Try zel's setup again on 69.28.220.150:27502 and see if you have the same problem as before. (I hope we dont have it on some obscure map when you try though.

Pixel · 06-29-2007, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet

How the hell did I mispell that

LOL

Alot of times I don't misspell things I just type another word that sounds similar to the word I wanted to type. I think I'm dislexic. All the time I end up writting some letter for 7.

Circuitous · 06-29-2007, 06:11 AM

Oh I don't give a shit about it not including stuff for MegaTF or whatever. The sounds were a pain in the ass, but I don't blame him for that.

I ended up getting ezQuake to put over top of the SMBC bundle, as it happens, worked just fine... really if you know what you're doing at all none of these packs are needed, SMBC just had a leg up on already having a collection of servers and players pre-rigged into the game, none of the competitive bullshit either.

I think I'll use my SMBC setup to connect to your server just for kicks.

Circuitous · 06-29-2007, 06:28 AM

Fucking 3v3's. Why the fuck would I wanna just sit and watch you dumbasses play?

there's nothing here · 06-29-2007, 11:31 AM

Nah, Circ is just.. excessively whiny sometimes. It used to say that under is name.

Oh btw, thanks you guys for helping me out. I'm someone (extremely) dissapointed. But what can I say, it's my fault for having such a turd bucket, none of yours.

I know I won't be able to play FF.. but I'm just an sad little emo kid, right? So I'm here just for the human contact.. yep..

Beetle · 06-29-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by there's nothing here

Nah, Circ is just.. excessively whiny sometimes. It used to say that under is name.

Oh btw, thanks you guys for helping me out. I'm someone (extremely) dissapointed. But what can I say, it's my fault for having such a turd bucket, none of yours.

I know I won't be able to play FF.. but I'm just an sad little emo kid, right? So I'm here just for the human contact.. yep..

so get a job and a computer..? did i miss something? seems you've lost totally hope on playing

there's nothing here · 06-29-2007, 03:55 PM

Oh.

Maybe.

skuLL · 06-30-2007, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Circuitous

Fucking 3v3's. Why the fuck would I wanna just sit and watch you dumbasses play?

Call one more player and make it a 4v4.

07-01-2007, 01:22 AM

Is there a non-GL version of this?

Circuitous · 07-01-2007, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skuLL

Call one more player and make it a 4v4.

Great idea, except the pricks banned me.

06-28-2007, 09:18 AM	#106
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	...is working not the idea anymore? __________________ Look at all those dead links.

06-29-2007, 06:11 AM	#113
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Oh I don't give a shit about it not including stuff for MegaTF or whatever. The sounds were a pain in the ass, but I don't blame him for that. I ended up getting ezQuake to put over top of the SMBC bundle, as it happens, worked just fine... really if you know what you're doing at all none of these packs are needed, SMBC just had a leg up on already having a collection of servers and players pre-rigged into the game, none of the competitive bullshit either. I think I'll use my SMBC setup to connect to your server just for kicks. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

06-29-2007, 06:28 AM	#114
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Fucking 3v3's. Why the fuck would I wanna just sit and watch you dumbasses play? __________________ Look at all those dead links.

06-28-2007, 04:48 AM	#102
zel Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Ok, so there are a few issues here which I will try to adress. Firsty zelTF is designed for vanilla tf, and is updated with the latest OZTF mod, however it WILL support megaTF and customTF, which is why the servers are included on the list. However I do not support this compatability in any way because I know nothing about these two variants. You will however have to download a whole bunch of files on your first connection to either of these servers. Yes, in the current version you can NOT alter your controls in the controls menu. These controls are just quake controls anyway, all the real key bindings are found in /fortress/fortress.cfg and classname.cfg, ie soldier.cfg. In the final release I will make it so that you can edit your controls in game, or if not, then by a small setup program that comes with zelTF. Finally I am hearing people are having trouble with the download, I'm sorry I'm trying to fix this up now. Use a download manager and it should be fine or otherwise wait till I find an alternative server. I looked at the SMBC client server package being mentioned in this thread and I would like to point out that it is a customTF package, and this is a different mod all together. (Rather than choosing a class, you start with money and buy weapons and features). The first stable ZelTF release should be out within a few weeks. Thankyou all for your feedback and stick with it. Oh, and please, read the readme.txt that comes with the program before asking questions. Good luck.

06-28-2007, 08:55 AM	#105
zel Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	yeah i just downloaded and checked it out. it will work, but i wouldn't say much more than that for it.

06-28-2007, 02:52 PM	#107
zel Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	lol circuitous, no serious tf player would take that bundle seriously, it is outdated, and competitively useless. ZelTF works great and I have gone to a lot of trouble to make a version which is graphically superiour and competitively geared. If it doesn't work for you I'd be happy to help you. Anyone who wants to play the SMBC version, should just download ezquake and tf28.zip thats all it is plus a couple of maps. It doesnt even use hardware rendering. Have a look at this comparative screenshot and decide. SMBC Fortress ZelTF And the gfx is only a small part of the huge difference between these two bundles. I wont go into all the changes I've implemented because they are all outlined in the ZelTF forum thread over at: http://quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1905 Needless to say the current qwtf community has embraced the bundle, and I encourage anyone who is interested in playing qwtf to give it a go.

06-28-2007, 03:00 PM	#108
GhOsT Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Boy, that first screenshot really brings me back.

06-28-2007, 08:42 PM	#109
Titan` Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I got it working and all, the controls are a bit diff than TFC, but perhaps I'll edit them (grenades to F/G, stuff like that). Now if only there were some players in the servers

06-29-2007, 06:01 AM	#111
biter Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Circ, you shouldn't bag on zel's installer because it didnt come bloated with all the beavis and butthead sounds you need to play mega or custom tf. TFC doesnt come with all the NeoTF extras. The qwtf scene has actually needed something like zel's bundle for a long time. I agree with you about some of the models, but the high-res textures and lit files really make some maps gorgeous (32smooth, tf2k, 2night2), and the grenades, sentry, and dispenser models are all a huge improvement. Setting up a gren timer can be a huge pain in qwtf, and the package comes with a good selection of maps (in their correct versions) and the loc files to go with them. AND it comes with the best quake client, which is probably why zel said what he did about the other bundle. Ezquake is still being worked on, and if you have the time you should check out how deep its features go. MVD demos are cool, and with ezquake you can watch multiple perspectives split screen if you want. I know a few recent matches have been uploaded here: http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.ph...=demos&game=38 Try zel's setup again on 69.28.220.150:27502 and see if you have the same problem as before. (I hope we dont have it on some obscure map when you try though.

06-29-2007, 11:31 AM	#115
there's nothing here lol Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Halfway sprawled out of a cardboard box at the bottom of a flight of stairs. Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Nah, Circ is just.. excessively whiny sometimes. It used to say that under is name. Oh btw, thanks you guys for helping me out. I'm someone (extremely) dissapointed. But what can I say, it's my fault for having such a turd bucket, none of yours. I know I won't be able to play FF.. but I'm just an sad little emo kid, right? So I'm here just for the human contact.. yep..

06-29-2007, 03:55 PM	#117
there's nothing here lol Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Halfway sprawled out of a cardboard box at the bottom of a flight of stairs. Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Oh. Maybe.

07-01-2007, 01:22 AM	#119
Steveio Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Is there a non-GL version of this?

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