PS3 vs XBox 360

o_robg · 10-11-2006, 02:24 PM

I'm no Microsoft fanboy, but Sony seem to be making more mistakes than I'd have thought possible with this one, what with the:

Price. Conceivably the UK price of the 360 could be half that of the £425 PS3 by the time the PS3 launches.
Controller. Somehow can't do rumble and motion sensing? Try not rushing in motion sensing just because Nintendo announced it.
Network infrastructure. Really. Try not adding in something that is nowhere near as good as XBox Live and that you don't tell any developers about just so you can say you have online services.
Blu-ray. Seriously, stop pretending that bundling this was a good idea, and admit it was corporate desperation. Never mind the technical merits/demerits, no-one cares about having a Blu-ray player yet. Especially when people are inventing things that could play both formats.
Delays. And the hilarious announcements.
Difficulty of development. Never mind the complexities of Cell, what about - until recently - the lack of developer hardware?
Careless, offhand comments. Certainly not a dealbreaker, but they just show a remarkable lack of thought.
Games. Some fun ones coming up, but very few are PS3-specific. Some killer apps seem to be being deliberately broken by a suicidal Sony.

But I dunno. Perhaps enough joyless US men will buy porn on Blu-ray to make it successful. What do we think?

o_the russian · 10-11-2006, 02:46 PM

You might not be an M$ Fanboi, but you sure are a PS hater.

The PS3 will be a hit, all around the world, and you know it... as it stands, it has a more powerfull processing and graphics chip than the 360 and is basicaly a super-computer at a discount price. Blu-Ray is a huge selling point, if attaching your PS3 to your 1080i TV is the only way you can play HD DVDs, and its what, $500 less than the newest market offered player alone.

Not to mention the PS3 is equipped to do F@H, which the X360 first of all doesnt support, and second of all is too weak on the processor side to pull it off in a respectable manner even if it did.

I, however, will not buy a PS3..why?... because I play everything on PC only, I dont deal with consoles as I cant upgrade them. So, I feel I'm not baised, since I wont be buying *either*. I am however biased against ignorant commentary like the above :P

o_ping_chow_chi · 10-11-2006, 02:51 PM

heh - nice and unbiased view there

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 10-11-2006, 03:16 PM

I agree Rob. There seems to be multiple misteps with the new PS. I did not buy the PS2 until it had been out a couple of years and had dropped in price to ~199USD. I expect I'll do the same with the PS3. And I'll wait on the Revolution as well. There exists, however, no circumstance under which I'd ever own any Xbox.

Lost · 10-11-2006, 04:00 PM

Its always good practice to wait for a few months anyways, let the first edition of the console to come through and hope they fix the fatal flaws before you get yours.

o_robg · 10-11-2006, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Russian

You might not be an M$ Fanboi, but you sure are a PS hater...I am however biased against ignorant commentary like the above :P

Well, thank you for any thoughtful commentary you included in your reply. I do not hate the PS, and can express the view that Sony is badly mishandling the PS3 without being so. Given that you called my step-by-step, referenced, unemotional post "ignorant commentary" within your assertion-laden, emotional tirade, I can only hope that you are being ironic rather than deeply un-selfaware.

F@H is not a selling point for a console. I've happily run it for a few years, but people tend to turn their console off when they aren't playing it, which they don't do so much with their PC.

The 360 will soon support 1080p playing of games, DVDs and HDDVDs, so I don't think 1080i is anything special.

Incidentally I too will probably buy neither console; I tend to prefer PCs.

o_psycnet · 10-11-2006, 04:50 PM

PS3 will inevitably outsell and be more more successful than 360 based entirely on the fact that it's made by Sony, and guess who buys the most consoles? US and European console sales are shit compared to Japan, period.

This is the reason why Nintendo still exists (Gameboys and their many versions and the NGC to a degree). Japanese people buy Japanese electronics quite simply. Microsoft may come out as the leader in the North American and European markets, but Sony will win in Japan (with a chunk taken by the Wii as well) by a long shot. MS has not sold near or close to their targets in Japan and likely won't.

On the subject of 1080p, there are maybe 50 models of LCD/Plasma displays that support it, none of which are under the $1200 CDN mark (~1000 US/pounds), and yes, there are many who are videophiles who probably own it, but they are most likely the people who could afford both consoles anyhow. Most of us have only recently been able to get our hand on a 1080i capable set, and looking back at the 480p/720p days, 1080i still looks flippin great, even with only half the scanlines. I for one know I wont be upgrading my TV for at least another year or two (if not longer), and I'm sure 90%+ of people are in the same boat (if not still running TVs with s-video or RCA). 1080p will be a non-factor at this point.

Circuitous · 10-11-2006, 04:53 PM

No commentary thus-far has been at all even-handed, but it's all been accurate. I won't be touching Ps3 at launch, I know that much. It'd have to be fucking amazing to counteract all the bad and stupid things it's done so far. Really disappointing.

o_bubbles · 10-11-2006, 05:09 PM

I can ease my consoleplaying needs at my local supermarket.

Jiggles · 10-11-2006, 06:38 PM

~$2.5k for a decent 1080p screen is a lot. But, just a few years ago, you'd be lucky to get HD-anything for that price. The point is, 1080p is nice for the future, since it's quite likely that such sets will see significant price drops in the comming years. Sony wants the PS3 "life-cycle" to be at least 4-5 years, after all.
The 360's will probably be shorter, but not by a whole lot.

Regardless, you're right that this is not exactly a huge selling point for most, since I know a number of people who have their PS2s hooked up to their 14'' TVs via an RF adapter. Talk about outstanding video/sound quality!

o_=cats= liv3d · 10-11-2006, 08:06 PM

hey,

I have a few game consoles, but I prefer my PC.

I wont get a PS3, not for along while. I have an Xbox 360, I am getting a Wii, but again there is nothing drawing me to a PS3, Im not a *insert-name* fan boy, but Ive had alot of sony consoles, the only one that I really enjoyed was the PS1, it was different.

I have a 360, dont play much on it, due to the cost of games costing 39.99-50 GBP, I like the idea behind the Wii, but the more I read, the more I think I may have blown 180GBP.

Anyway, since FF is on PC, PC is what I play most games

o_frenchtoast · 10-11-2006, 10:18 PM

I'd recommend a PS3 if you're into rootkits, keyloggers, and ridiculous restrictions on what you can do with what you buy.

I bougth the Foo Fighters 'In Your Honor', and the Sony protection is so fucked up that I can't put it on my iPod, so I ended up downloading the album.

Way to go Sony.

o_sizeablessonic · 10-12-2006, 01:07 AM

Well, acrtualy know... everuboyd I have asked are not buying a PS3.

Same reason each time: It's too expensive. A parent of someone down the street from me said " We don't want to pay 500$ for a game console... but he (their son) has all those PS1 and PS2 games...but we are simply not spending 500$ on a game console"

o_yoda891 · 10-12-2006, 01:23 AM

The Wii wins for me. I have a computer, so I don't need a "supercomputer" limited by analog sticks, and I don't like playing most games with a standard controller.

And yes, Sony has made huge mistakes with the PS3. It's far too expensive, and it makes the decision of buying a console much bigger. Parents won't even take a glance at the actual product if they see a PS3: $600 tag on the shelf.

As for Blu-Ray... Sony themselves said disk storage would be dead in ~3 years, so I don't see the point of them putting the drive in there. Most people that are considering the "supercomputer" need it because they don't have a computer, and that likely means that they don't have an HDTV. This may change in a few years, but that won't help sales that late down the road.

I may pick up a PS3 when they drop below $300, but then the whole selling point of it being a graphical powerhouse are gone(compared to computers at that point.)

Now comparing the Xbox360 to the PS3, the 360 wins in my book. Less expensive, not much less power, and now they have the external HD-DVD drives, so anyone considering a console for a DVD player has another less-expensive option.

o_backstaber · 10-12-2006, 01:29 AM

Yeah, I agree Yoda. I'll be playing on my cousins Wii when he gets one.

o_coldy · 10-12-2006, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

PS3 will inevitably outsell and be more more successful than 360 based entirely on the fact that it's made by Sony, and guess who buys the most consoles? US and European console sales are shit compared to Japan, period.

If the Japanese console market decided everything the Xbox360 wouldn't exist.

(That's ignoring the fact that your numbers are totally wrong, the US alone has almost double the sales).

o_yomamashouse · 10-12-2006, 02:42 AM

Why Russian, Why did you have to use M$ thingy?

Hating large companies who go there through their own hard work and thinking is about as intelligent and original as it gets.

o_robg · 10-12-2006, 10:06 AM

Well, I hope no-one really claims that Microsoft got there by hard work and good software; clearly they mostly "gamed" the system with lock-in techniques and pretty, manager-convincing bad software.

However if you're talking from a business point of view, there's nothing really wrong with this as for a normal business, money is the aim, so no-one should be surprised that MS went for it as much as anyone else does.

o_the russian · 10-12-2006, 02:37 PM

I put the $ in M$ because I'm aware of their monopolistic policy... at the cost to the consumers. Theyre not the only ones though, just some realy bad ones. By now its common business practice to weed out competition by making everything play only *your* brand and be run on only your brand while being powered only by your power socket and only capable of using your frequency energy streams... but ages ago a congress that wasnt in the loby's pocket would have kicked their ass to the street and said theyre hurting the consumer.

**mervaka** · 10-12-2006, 02:50 PM

on the other hand, MS have also brought the world forward with their superb office applications and operating systems. at the same time though, it's unfortunate the world has become reliant on their products to survive. everything IT based taught in schools these days involves some microsoft application.

but really, there's no need to hound MS like that. i'm all in favour of vista ousting 3rd party applications on security matters. yes, it's overdue by at least 10 years, but still a welcome move nevertheless.

oh, and as for the consoles? they both suck.

10-11-2006, 02:24 PM	#1
o_robg Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	PS3 vs XBox 360 I'm no Microsoft fanboy, but Sony seem to be making more mistakes than I'd have thought possible with this one, what with the: Price. Conceivably the UK price of the 360 could be half that of the £425 PS3 by the time the PS3 launches. Controller. Somehow can't do rumble and motion sensing? Try not rushing in motion sensing just because Nintendo announced it. Network infrastructure. Really. Try not adding in something that is nowhere near as good as XBox Live and that you don't tell any developers about just so you can say you have online services. Blu-ray. Seriously, stop pretending that bundling this was a good idea, and admit it was corporate desperation. Never mind the technical merits/demerits, no-one cares about having a Blu-ray player yet. Especially when people are inventing things that could play both formats. Delays. And the hilarious announcements. Difficulty of development. Never mind the complexities of Cell, what about - until recently - the lack of developer hardware? Careless, offhand comments. Certainly not a dealbreaker, but they just show a remarkable lack of thought. Games. Some fun ones coming up, but very few are PS3-specific. Some killer apps seem to be being deliberately broken by a suicidal Sony. But I dunno. Perhaps enough joyless US men will buy porn on Blu-ray to make it successful. What do we think?

10-11-2006, 04:00 PM	#5
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Its always good practice to wait for a few months anyways, let the first edition of the console to come through and hope they fix the fatal flaws before you get yours. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

10-11-2006, 04:53 PM	#8
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	No commentary thus-far has been at all even-handed, but it's all been accurate. I won't be touching Ps3 at launch, I know that much. It'd have to be fucking amazing to counteract all the bad and stupid things it's done so far. Really disappointing. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

10-12-2006, 02:50 PM	#20
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	on the other hand, MS have also brought the world forward with their superb office applications and operating systems. at the same time though, it's unfortunate the world has become reliant on their products to survive. everything IT based taught in schools these days involves some microsoft application. but really, there's no need to hound MS like that. i'm all in favour of vista ousting 3rd party applications on security matters. yes, it's overdue by at least 10 years, but still a welcome move nevertheless. oh, and as for the consoles? they both suck. __________________ Support FF:

10-11-2006, 02:46 PM	#2
o_the russian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You might not be an M$ Fanboi, but you sure are a PS hater. The PS3 will be a hit, all around the world, and you know it... as it stands, it has a more powerfull processing and graphics chip than the 360 and is basicaly a super-computer at a discount price. Blu-Ray is a huge selling point, if attaching your PS3 to your 1080i TV is the only way you can play HD DVDs, and its what, $500 less than the newest market offered player alone. Not to mention the PS3 is equipped to do F@H, which the X360 first of all doesnt support, and second of all is too weak on the processor side to pull it off in a respectable manner even if it did. I, however, will not buy a PS3..why?... because I play everything on PC only, I dont deal with consoles as I cant upgrade them. So, I feel I'm not baised, since I wont be buying either. I am however biased against ignorant commentary like the above :P

10-11-2006, 02:51 PM	#3
o_ping_chow_chi Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	heh - nice and unbiased view there

10-11-2006, 03:16 PM	#4
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I agree Rob. There seems to be multiple misteps with the new PS. I did not buy the PS2 until it had been out a couple of years and had dropped in price to ~199USD. I expect I'll do the same with the PS3. And I'll wait on the Revolution as well. There exists, however, no circumstance under which I'd ever own any Xbox.

10-11-2006, 04:50 PM	#7
o_psycnet Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada eh? Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	PS3 will inevitably outsell and be more more successful than 360 based entirely on the fact that it's made by Sony, and guess who buys the most consoles? US and European console sales are shit compared to Japan, period. This is the reason why Nintendo still exists (Gameboys and their many versions and the NGC to a degree). Japanese people buy Japanese electronics quite simply. Microsoft may come out as the leader in the North American and European markets, but Sony will win in Japan (with a chunk taken by the Wii as well) by a long shot. MS has not sold near or close to their targets in Japan and likely won't. On the subject of 1080p, there are maybe 50 models of LCD/Plasma displays that support it, none of which are under the $1200 CDN mark (~1000 US/pounds), and yes, there are many who are videophiles who probably own it, but they are most likely the people who could afford both consoles anyhow. Most of us have only recently been able to get our hand on a 1080i capable set, and looking back at the 480p/720p days, 1080i still looks flippin great, even with only half the scanlines. I for one know I wont be upgrading my TV for at least another year or two (if not longer), and I'm sure 90%+ of people are in the same boat (if not still running TVs with s-video or RCA). 1080p will be a non-factor at this point.

10-11-2006, 05:09 PM	#9
o_bubbles Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I can ease my consoleplaying needs at my local supermarket.

10-11-2006, 06:38 PM	#10
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	~$2.5k for a decent 1080p screen is a lot. But, just a few years ago, you'd be lucky to get HD-anything for that price. The point is, 1080p is nice for the future, since it's quite likely that such sets will see significant price drops in the comming years. Sony wants the PS3 "life-cycle" to be at least 4-5 years, after all. The 360's will probably be shorter, but not by a whole lot. Regardless, you're right that this is not exactly a huge selling point for most, since I know a number of people who have their PS2s hooked up to their 14'' TVs via an RF adapter. Talk about outstanding video/sound quality!

10-11-2006, 08:06 PM	#11
o_=cats= liv3d Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hey, I have a few game consoles, but I prefer my PC. I wont get a PS3, not for along while. I have an Xbox 360, I am getting a Wii, but again there is nothing drawing me to a PS3, Im not a insert-name fan boy, but Ive had alot of sony consoles, the only one that I really enjoyed was the PS1, it was different. I have a 360, dont play much on it, due to the cost of games costing 39.99-50 GBP, I like the idea behind the Wii, but the more I read, the more I think I may have blown 180GBP. Anyway, since FF is on PC, PC is what I play most games

10-11-2006, 10:18 PM	#12
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'd recommend a PS3 if you're into rootkits, keyloggers, and ridiculous restrictions on what you can do with what you buy. I bougth the Foo Fighters 'In Your Honor', and the Sony protection is so fucked up that I can't put it on my iPod, so I ended up downloading the album. Way to go Sony.

10-12-2006, 01:07 AM	#13
o_sizeablessonic Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewere in Nevada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, acrtualy know... everuboyd I have asked are not buying a PS3. Same reason each time: It's too expensive. A parent of someone down the street from me said " We don't want to pay 500$ for a game console... but he (their son) has all those PS1 and PS2 games...but we are simply not spending 500$ on a game console"

10-12-2006, 01:23 AM	#14
o_yoda891 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The Wii wins for me. I have a computer, so I don't need a "supercomputer" limited by analog sticks, and I don't like playing most games with a standard controller. And yes, Sony has made huge mistakes with the PS3. It's far too expensive, and it makes the decision of buying a console much bigger. Parents won't even take a glance at the actual product if they see a PS3: $600 tag on the shelf. As for Blu-Ray... Sony themselves said disk storage would be dead in ~3 years, so I don't see the point of them putting the drive in there. Most people that are considering the "supercomputer" need it because they don't have a computer, and that likely means that they don't have an HDTV. This may change in a few years, but that won't help sales that late down the road. I may pick up a PS3 when they drop below $300, but then the whole selling point of it being a graphical powerhouse are gone(compared to computers at that point.) Now comparing the Xbox360 to the PS3, the 360 wins in my book. Less expensive, not much less power, and now they have the external HD-DVD drives, so anyone considering a console for a DVD player has another less-expensive option.

10-12-2006, 01:29 AM	#15
o_backstaber Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, I agree Yoda. I'll be playing on my cousins Wii when he gets one.

10-12-2006, 02:42 AM	#17
o_yomamashouse Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Your Mamas House Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Why Russian, Why did you have to use M$ thingy? Hating large companies who go there through their own hard work and thinking is about as intelligent and original as it gets.

10-12-2006, 10:06 AM	#18
o_robg Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, I hope no-one really claims that Microsoft got there by hard work and good software; clearly they mostly "gamed" the system with lock-in techniques and pretty, manager-convincing bad software. However if you're talking from a business point of view, there's nothing really wrong with this as for a normal business, money is the aim, so no-one should be surprised that MS went for it as much as anyone else does.

10-12-2006, 02:37 PM	#19
o_the russian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I put the $ in M$ because I'm aware of their monopolistic policy... at the cost to the consumers. Theyre not the only ones though, just some realy bad ones. By now its common business practice to weed out competition by making everything play only your brand and be run on only your brand while being powered only by your power socket and only capable of using your frequency energy streams... but ages ago a congress that wasnt in the loby's pocket would have kicked their ass to the street and said theyre hurting the consumer.

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