QWTF and 2fort a plea for dimensions

own3r · 06-19-2007, 02:05 PM

It has been said before and I will say it again 2fort is too darn small for more than 10 players servers routinely play it at 10 a team so it would seem prudent to make the map a bit larger in it's dimensions in a similar regard to QWTF. Appart from the ceiling height on the first floor which is too low but you get the idea.

MikeQuist · 06-19-2007, 04:41 PM

Yeah, I disagree.

1. It's a classic.
2. Yeah bigger 2fort has been tried on some mods. They didn't succeed. Coincidence? We'll never know...
3. Come on, really. It's 2fortttt. Change the theme. Change the lights. But they can never take....our dimensions!!! -Braveheart

skuLL · 06-19-2007, 06:45 PM

2fort_r?

Circuitous · 06-20-2007, 12:23 AM

2bigforts

Norris · 06-20-2007, 08:49 AM

I won't change it to much. jolt 2fort public is still a huge blast.. still love to play it with all the chokepoints. Defrags update was a good change. I'd like to see his version in the FF release.

own3r · 06-20-2007, 09:23 AM

Yeah im not talking about a huge departure here just improving upon whats already there opposed to copying it completely. Simple things like making the height of doorways or the spiral higher or doorways more than 1 player wide at the top of the lift.

One of these days I may have a bash at making a map inspired by 2fort like I am doing with mach, I will be taking what I liked about it then building on it.

iMpi · 06-20-2007, 03:24 PM

The one player wide thing to the elevator is annoying. You try to conc from the flirst floor to find a hw blocking you.

Zaskar · 06-20-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by iMpi

The one player wide thing to the elevator is annoying. You try to conc from the flirst floor to find a hw blocking you.

No way, make it wider and i cant cockblock scouts/meds bhop speed with a engie dispencer :P man they hate that.

unf · 06-20-2007, 10:05 PM

Or just stop posting own3r.

own3r · 06-20-2007, 10:08 PM

Change is a good thing sometimes be constructive or just don't post yourself you are simply acting as a troll otherwise trying to stirr up a flame war.

unf · 06-20-2007, 10:27 PM

You're just fucking annoying. It's obvious you have no idea how to play this game well, and because you're at a lower level than even pub players, you want to bring everyone to your level rather than trying to get better. you're a broken record. Stop making threads please.

Ihmhi · 06-20-2007, 11:16 PM

2fort only gets annoying when it is any more than 12v12.

Circuitous · 06-21-2007, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by own3r

Change is a good thing sometimes be constructive or just don't post yourself you are simply acting as a troll otherwise trying to stirr up a flame war.

Change is a good thing, except when the changes suck.

TwiNCannoN · 06-21-2007, 03:06 AM

2fort32 imo

Nezumi · 06-21-2007, 05:04 AM

I like to take every opportunity I can to diss 2fort.

2fort blows. If it needs to be remade, make it radically different.

own3r · 06-21-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nezumi

I like to take every opportunity I can to diss 2fort.

2fort blows. If it needs to be remade, make it radically different.

Yes yes it does, but apparently anyone who doesn't like it is noob and cannot possibly suggest a change... but seriously what would you change about it?

IvaQuaL · 06-21-2007, 11:19 AM

I've never been able to stand 2fort but apparently it is very popular as it is, so I'm not sure it needs to be changed after all.

Ihmhi · 06-21-2007, 11:23 AM

Meh hasn't 2fort changed every so slightly over all of the different iterations of Team Fortress? I bet the one in TFC looks very different from the original TF.

kam · 06-21-2007, 02:38 PM

The scale is the biggest difference between them. The spiral in 2fort5r is really narrow for instance.

GhOsT · 06-21-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ihmhi

Meh hasn't 2fort changed every so slightly over all of the different iterations of Team Fortress? I bet the one in TFC looks very different from the original TF.

2fort went through a bunch of changes back in the beginnings of TF and eventually ended up looking more or less like the version in TFC (I believe TFC is based off of 2fort5). There are minor changes between the TF version and the TFC version. Overall the TFC version feels a bit smaller and more compact. Also, as with most quake based maps, the TF version of 2fort was much darker and had many dark corners and an overall darker feel to it inside the base.

If memory serves correctly the original version of 2fort didn't have flags or the basement area (might be wrong on part of that). The ext versions started adding in more stuff. In 2fort4 there was only 1 long narrow hallway into the flagroom. 2fort5 added the second path in. You can find the history of 2fort someplace online and how it changed with each version.

06-19-2007, 02:05 PM	#1
own3r Custom mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	QWTF and 2fort a plea for dimensions It has been said before and I will say it again 2fort is too darn small for more than 10 players servers routinely play it at 10 a team so it would seem prudent to make the map a bit larger in it's dimensions in a similar regard to QWTF. Appart from the ceiling height on the first floor which is too low but you get the idea.

06-20-2007, 12:23 AM	#4
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	2bigforts __________________ Look at all those dead links.

06-20-2007, 11:16 PM	#12
Ihmhi [AE] 0112 Ihmhi SJB Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, NJ, United States Class/Position: A little bit o' everythin' Gametype: Also a little bit o' everythin' Affiliations: [AE] Asseater, SJB Straight Jacket Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	2fort only gets annoying when it is any more than 12v12. __________________ Support FF: Anime: The Thread: Reloaded The one and only anime thread on these here forums. Select the pistol, and then, select your horse.

06-21-2007, 05:04 AM	#15
Nezumi Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals. Class/Position: Soldier, O Gametype: Doubble Mode Affiliations: Cassiotone Nation Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	I like to take every opportunity I can to diss 2fort. 2fort blows. If it needs to be remade, make it radically different. __________________ TG: pretty much you have no idea how much i fuckin own at this game. TG: i bested no less than three flaming tornados and broke a huge wizard.

06-21-2007, 11:23 AM	#18
Ihmhi [AE] 0112 Ihmhi SJB Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, NJ, United States Class/Position: A little bit o' everythin' Gametype: Also a little bit o' everythin' Affiliations: [AE] Asseater, SJB Straight Jacket Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Meh hasn't 2fort changed every so slightly over all of the different iterations of Team Fortress? I bet the one in TFC looks very different from the original TF. __________________ Support FF: Anime: The Thread: Reloaded The one and only anime thread on these here forums. Select the pistol, and then, select your horse.

06-19-2007, 04:41 PM	#2
MikeQuist Person Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, I disagree. 1. It's a classic. 2. Yeah bigger 2fort has been tried on some mods. They didn't succeed. Coincidence? We'll never know... 3. Come on, really. It's 2fortttt. Change the theme. Change the lights. But they can never take....our dimensions!!! -Braveheart

06-19-2007, 06:45 PM	#3
skuLL Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	2fort_r?

06-20-2007, 08:49 AM	#5
Norris The Good German Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Germany Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	I won't change it to much. jolt 2fort public is still a huge blast.. still love to play it with all the chokepoints. Defrags update was a good change. I'd like to see his version in the FF release.

06-20-2007, 09:23 AM	#6
own3r Custom mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah im not talking about a huge departure here just improving upon whats already there opposed to copying it completely. Simple things like making the height of doorways or the spiral higher or doorways more than 1 player wide at the top of the lift. One of these days I may have a bash at making a map inspired by 2fort like I am doing with mach, I will be taking what I liked about it then building on it.

06-20-2007, 03:24 PM	#7
iMpi Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The one player wide thing to the elevator is annoying. You try to conc from the flirst floor to find a hw blocking you.

06-20-2007, 10:05 PM	#9
unf TFC since 99' Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas, Plano Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Or just stop posting own3r.

06-20-2007, 10:08 PM	#10
own3r Custom mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Change is a good thing sometimes be constructive or just don't post yourself you are simply acting as a troll otherwise trying to stirr up a flame war.

06-20-2007, 10:27 PM	#11
unf TFC since 99' Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas, Plano Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You're just fucking annoying. It's obvious you have no idea how to play this game well, and because you're at a lower level than even pub players, you want to bring everyone to your level rather than trying to get better. you're a broken record. Stop making threads please.

06-21-2007, 03:06 AM	#14
TwiNCannoN Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	2fort32 imo

06-21-2007, 11:19 AM	#17
IvaQuaL Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've never been able to stand 2fort but apparently it is very popular as it is, so I'm not sure it needs to be changed after all.

06-21-2007, 02:38 PM	#19
kam Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The scale is the biggest difference between them. The spiral in 2fort5r is really narrow for instance.

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