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Old 06-21-2007, 09:52 PM   #21
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I grant you it isn't pure CTF, but CTF is involved.

If anything, the addition of multiple flags, and thusly multiple targets, should make you want to open the map up even more to allow many different flows of traffic.

Maybe I'll take a stab at making my own version, though, just for kicks.
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Old 06-21-2007, 10:05 PM   #22
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you can map?
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Old 06-22-2007, 12:53 AM   #23
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Old 06-22-2007, 12:55 AM   #24
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no that wasnt a stab, i just havent seen him. That would be stupid of me, cuz there are plenty of things that could be made fun of to my mapping.
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:40 AM   #25
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you can map?
Nope, not really.

This map would probably take me five-six months of constant work/tutorial reading/begging for help to actually accomplish with any sense of completeness.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:29 AM   #26
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Or two months of non stop work. And no, Less pathways the better...to an extent. I'll explain why.

Flagrun never really centered around the flagrooms. That's the difference between it and CTF. The flags could be anywhere. Nobody had to commit to offense or defense. You could go get a flag from the enemy base and on the way back end up running into somebody with your flag. Combat! Flags! Excitement!

Now...let us say that you add another tunnel to mid yard...and another flagroom entrance. Yay you can get the flags from their places easier! Horrah! But then people end up just flying around the map as scouts and medics. The gameplay centers around flagroom flagroom traveling. No use for spies, pyros, etc. Or the middle of the map.

The excitement is gone and the map become a CTF where you have to cap 4 times. Ahh lame.

But MIKEQUIST! What if all the flags end up in their flagroom?! How can we get them out? You don't. If all 4 are in there, the map resets. If 3 are in there, you can focus on the one that's not. And in their attempt to get that one flag, you can go get their other ones!

So... as you can see, the structure and path layout of Flagrun is very important. Adding a hall here or there can transform the game completely. Flagrun has been played for years, and it has been played well. No map allows for the versatility of classes and gameplay for pubs, nor the communication and direction of clanplay...as Flagrun will.

Oh and Beetle, if that Mapping question was aimed at me, sicne we do have a previous relationship ingame, Yes. And I think I actually helped you once or twice too.
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Old 06-22-2007, 04:59 AM   #27
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where's my map?
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Old 06-22-2007, 05:19 AM   #28
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Would anyone suggest the addition of an extra hallway anywhere?
If you are so anti-adding hallways... why ask?
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:15 AM   #29
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You have a point. But I've grown more convinced as I came along.

And the suggestions have helped.
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:23 AM   #30
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Please give people attacking from the balcony (via conc/rj or the ladder on the side) a way to get into the rear of the base without going directly by the spawns. This is just annoying for both sides. You can't get in without bumping into someone with full health or that sniper you just killed, and you can't get out of your spawn without being spammed.

This is what I really didn't like about the map.
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:53 AM   #31
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Nope, not really.

This map would probably take me five-six months of constant work/tutorial reading/begging for help to actually accomplish with any sense of completeness.
Maps were a minimum of 40 hours work in TFC, and now with FF you have shit like LUA to worry about. Just a heads up. Yeah, though it seems you are very aware how time-involving it will be, especially since you will be learning stuff as it goes.
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:51 PM   #32
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Well I think there's a lot of evening out though. Sure, there was less to worry about in tfc, but the new hammer seems much easier to use, and less time consuming...maybe cuz i never went to the .5 version from 4.
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Maps were a minimum of 40 hours work in TFC, and now with FF you have shit like LUA to worry about. Just a heads up. Yeah, though it seems you are very aware how time-involving it will be, especially since you will be learning stuff as it goes.
Just a heads up?

Dude, I've helped like every beta mapper with Lua already. Where the fuck have you been, man?
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:46 PM   #34
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FF team members have already offered to help me on this exploratory LUA adventure. This will be one of the first maps to actually push and test the ease and functionality of the LUA. So we shall see.

And yeah, I've probably put in the "40+" hours you could expect in TFC and I'm about 1/4 done with brushwork lol. I'm no stranger to lot's of work in maps. I'm not rushing through this stuff at all. I spent some maybe 5 to ten hours on a stupid portion of road...realized yesterday I didn't like it, and redid it all taking more time. I won't screw your map up. You might not like it but it won't be becuase it was built badly, I promise.

To the person (nezumi) who suggested a new balcony path, I might consider this after testing. I have an idea of how I would implement your suggestion if neccesary. There would be a path in the balcony opposite the spawn pathway that goes directly to the hangover balcony on the interior yard.

POLL QUESTION:

On the south side of the inteior yards, (the ground entrance to the flagroom being the north), in between the tunnel exit and the stairwell building, would you prefer:
A: ) Rock Formations
B: ) Random Building
C: ) Continuation of Tall Wall That stretches the north side

Included is a picture to show where I'm talking about/ Prove I'm at least somewhere

http://www.mikequistmapping.info/ima...grungraph1.jpg

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Old 06-22-2007, 08:01 PM   #35
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POLL QUESTION:

On the south side of the inteior yards, (the ground entrance to the flagroom being the north), in between the tunnel exit and the stairwell building, would you prefer:
A: ) Rock Formations
B: ) Random Building
C: ) Continuation of Tall Wall That stretches the north side

Included is a picture to show where I'm talking about/ Prove I'm at least somewhere

http://www.mikequistmapping.info/ima...grungraph1.jpg
I think I know where you mean though the brushwork doesn't really give me any clues, its hard to make a decision because the rest of the map needs to be taken into account in making it. But some interesting area or courtyard you cant get to maybe a market or something appropriate too your theme would do or some interesting architecture or a run down wall which has been broken and then barred by a fence or something revealing an area behind theres lots of things but its hard to say.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:03 PM   #36
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Oh and Beetle, if that Mapping question was aimed at me, sicne we do have a previous relationship ingame, Yes. And I think I actually helped you once or twice too.
nope. twas at circ. i know you did stormz2 (i think thats the name of it).
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:04 PM   #37
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Haha, I wouldn't give a poll option unless I knew I could handle it lol. I just want you guys to be able to go through the map and be like "I left my mark here."
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:10 PM   #38
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Nope, not really.

This map would probably take me five-six months of constant work/tutorial reading/begging for help to actually accomplish with any sense of completeness.
I know how that feels ^-^ HL style maps can be bashed out in a matter of days HL2 or its mods seem to take about (HL mapping time)^10 to complete its insane. I have been working very intermittently on Mach2 for a long time now must be about 9 months its changed so much over that time its barely recognisable. Persistence pays off in the end, once you get the basics down it gets a lot easier.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:13 PM   #39
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but the basics don't plz many ppl. *cough* Mike *cough*
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:46 PM   #40
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but the basics don't plz many ppl. *cough* Mike *cough*
I never claimed it did, just saying making maps gets a lot easier with practice essentially. My problem is that I am not an artist by trade so I am teaching myself sketching and design while trying to sketch out designs for maps.
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