How to optimize maps with big open spaces? - Page 2

**Crazycarl** · 05-18-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh4x

Just for the record, ff_dropdown only uses the "Z clip plane" or something like that (cant remember the exact name) which is a property of the fog. So let's say I put the fog to end at 5000, then I put the clip plane right after that so it clips everything that you can't see anyways. I had to use fog cause the front of the base is so wide open and you can see deep into it even from far away.

ff_aardvark uses the areaportals tho.

Ah. I wondered, and never took the time to find out for sure.

greenday5494 · 05-18-2008, 08:57 PM

do NOT use fog, it ruins the spy's cloak

-=Roland=- · 05-18-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

do NOT use fog, it ruins the spy's cloak

or maybe the spy should learn to disguise only until outside of the fog

**Crazycarl** · 05-19-2008, 05:51 PM

The fog goes through the whole map. There is no outside of the fog.

Da Spadger · 05-19-2008, 06:06 PM

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How to optimize maps with big open spaces?

Make the big open spaces smaller and more closed.

**Crazycarl** · 05-19-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Spadger

Make the big open spaces smaller and more closed.

Good point, and it's something you always need to think about when designing a map. Actually, making spaces enclosed is not as important as setting limits on visibility from the start, and designing around your vis-blocking features. Go ahead and make a big area if you are ok with whatever's going to be rendered there.

I've seen people on mapping forums ask for optimization help, and sometimes there was literally nothing I could do for them, because they insisted on putting in windows and doors that leave the entire map open to rendering. They started thinking about optimization far too late.

I've wanted to write a tutorial about designing for optimization, because most guides ignore the issue. They start with a finished map and then talk about hints and areaportals. They assume that you've taken steps to limit visibility, but no newbie knows how to do this.

**Elmo** · 05-19-2008, 11:11 PM

I agree so much that I could've written what he said word for word lol.

I offered to help someone too but once I had the vmf decided I couldnt cause the map was made in such a way it couldnt simply be optimised.

So what I had to do was remake part of the map just to prove him that you have to build the map with optimisation in mind. NOT build the map then say "Oh now it needs optimisation".

One problem, if the person cant optimise it themselves then they aren't gonna know how to make the map in the right way in the first place...Theres so much to learn but no CLEAR (easy to understand) tutorials explaining it ALL. We/someone (lol) REALLY should make a tutorial.

This post basically said the same as carl.. I'm riding with ya bro

Peace

BlisTer · 05-20-2008, 10:15 PM

There are a lot of tutorial out there for HL2DM / other mods, no need to rewrite.

Ihmhi · 05-21-2008, 08:48 AM

I'd love to hear how ff_pigskin was optimized, and why ff_waterpolo fails it - especially since pigskin has a bigger open area than waterpolo.

**squeek.** · 05-21-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ihmhi

I'd love to hear how ff_pigskin was optimized, and why ff_waterpolo fails it - especially since pigskin has a bigger open area than waterpolo.

No water.

**Elmo** · 05-21-2008, 07:35 PM

lol

Dr.Satan · 05-21-2008, 07:53 PM

so yeah...can someone point me in the right direction for learning optimization.

I read this tut and am still very confused.

My problem is that my map is talking WAY to long to compile (like 12+ hrs)...some of that is my crappy computer, but it still shouldn't take vis that long.

I have a lot of func_details and that's all working well, but I think that I need to be using hint brushes. Only when it comes to that I am a complete newb. Is there any tutorial that can tell me exactly how the brushes work and like general rules for where to place them etc?

Sh4x · 05-21-2008, 09:41 PM

There are plenty of tutorials on hint brushes everywhere. A google search will get you there. Here's one for you: http://www.fpsbanana.com/tuts/5149

Another one: http://sdknuts.net/tutorials/wiseHINT.asp

BlisTer · 05-21-2008, 10:31 PM

If you want to make an optimized map, go over the basics written here before you start.

Dr.Satan · 05-22-2008, 12:10 AM

that's what I'm talking about Blis! That's perfect, I only read about half of it now, but I will finish it tonight for sure.

05-18-2008, 08:57 PM	#22
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	do NOT use fog, it ruins the spy's cloak __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

05-19-2008, 05:51 PM	#24
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	The fog goes through the whole map. There is no outside of the fog. __________________ Support FF:

05-19-2008, 11:11 PM	#27
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	I agree so much that I could've written what he said word for word lol. I offered to help someone too but once I had the vmf decided I couldnt cause the map was made in such a way it couldnt simply be optimised. So what I had to do was remake part of the map just to prove him that you have to build the map with optimisation in mind. NOT build the map then say "Oh now it needs optimisation". One problem, if the person cant optimise it themselves then they aren't gonna know how to make the map in the right way in the first place...Theres so much to learn but no CLEAR (easy to understand) tutorials explaining it ALL. We/someone (lol) REALLY should make a tutorial. This post basically said the same as carl.. I'm riding with ya bro Peace __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

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BlisTer Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	There are a lot of tutorial out there for HL2DM / other mods, no need to rewrite. __________________ Support FF: untils you cry for the mercy like little shaven squirrel in my eating pot. - deathstriker666

05-21-2008, 08:48 AM	#29
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Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	so yeah...can someone point me in the right direction for learning optimization. I read this tut and am still very confused. My problem is that my map is talking WAY to long to compile (like 12+ hrs)...some of that is my crappy computer, but it still shouldn't take vis that long. I have a lot of func_details and that's all working well, but I think that I need to be using hint brushes. Only when it comes to that I am a complete newb. Is there any tutorial that can tell me exactly how the brushes work and like general rules for where to place them etc? __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

05-21-2008, 09:41 PM	#33
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There are plenty of tutorials on hint brushes everywhere. A google search will get you there. Here's one for you: http://www.fpsbanana.com/tuts/5149 Another one: http://sdknuts.net/tutorials/wiseHINT.asp

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BlisTer Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	If you want to make an optimized map, go over the basics written here before you start. __________________ Support FF: untils you cry for the mercy like little shaven squirrel in my eating pot. - deathstriker666

05-22-2008, 12:10 AM	#35
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	that's what I'm talking about Blis! That's perfect, I only read about half of it now, but I will finish it tonight for sure. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

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