Challenge to TML

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 03:31 PM

According to this thread - http://www.fortress-forever.com/foru...ad.php?t=15473

TML thinks playing against pubs is a waste of time.

A challenge is issued to TML for a 4 on 4 or a 5 on 5 match.

The map will be 2fort5 - the one that looks like the classic TFC 2fort5.

Allow me a few days, maybe a week or so to gather my waste of time "pub" players for a match. I have a few people in mind, emails and messages have already been sent out. When the team has been organized for a match, I will let you know.

And I promise you, we will not be wasting your time.

Or if you want to do a TFC match, that would be fine also.

So take your pick - TFC or FF match on 2fort5.

Dr.Satan · 04-10-2008, 03:36 PM

This is a much better place for a thread like that!

However you don't get it really. Playing against the random people who are in your server in a structured match is like trying to train a cage full of deaf elephants to preform in a ballet. You just can't do it. Pub players do not listen and rarely play what / how they are told.

It does not matter if your team is on one team b/c O running against 3 pub players is soo much different then O running against 3 clan players. and even if they are your own team and your just playing the same guys over and over it's still better then playing against the elephants.

Your idea is kind of on the right track in that playing against each other over and over isn't going to be as valuable as playing against other players. BUT those other players simply can not be pub players. You should practice alone and either scrim or play in pickups to test out your strats...pubs just aren't the solution.

AND you getting "pub" players together and organizing them isn't the same either...your essentially making a clan and scrimming them at that point.

Gator- · 04-10-2008, 03:39 PM

why tml? The goodfellas challenge you....i dare you to accept

SmellyCat · 04-10-2008, 03:40 PM

Way to pick the worst FF map currently avaliable.

VinnytheBoss · 04-10-2008, 03:41 PM

dude chill out...your getting alittle too offended when I said bro..and noone ever said you were gonna waste our time...I said that trying a strategy against a pub team is a waste of time...relax...bro

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirTiger

why tml? The goodfellas challenge you....i dare you to accept

Read the thread I linked to - TML posted an insult to all pub players.

Its not proper to issue a challenge inside of another challenge thread - that is called hijacking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnytheBoss

time...relax...bro

I aint your bro.

This thread is between TML and I. And I really do not appreciate everyone posting in it.

Unless your name is TML, you have no business posting anything in this thread!!

Gator- · 04-10-2008, 03:45 PM

playing against pubs is a waste of time

there, i issued an insult as well

now accept my challenge

Dr.Satan · 04-10-2008, 03:48 PM

It's not an insult dude it's a straight up fact...trying to scrim against a group of pub players is a waste of time...there is no argument, you are wrong.

Also fellas will crush you, but again...if your picking guys who are good that don't clan then your not picking pub players your making a clan. The whole fact is that in a pub your going to get maybe 1 / 2 guys who are good and 12 that are worthless...of course if you get the 1 guy and then go to another pub and find another good guy til you have 5 you will be a decent team, but that's not a pub it's a scrim...

I challenge you to not prepare for this...give a date to the clan and then on that date find 4 other guys that are playing in that server. Tell them they are scrimming and try to win. That would be the real test.

Hammock · 04-10-2008, 04:03 PM

Lol I'm getting a kick out of this.

Honestly I think this is great, this doesn't have to be a negative experience guys. It could be fun, clanning doesn't have to always be so straight and narrow.

Keep in mind not all pub players are morons either. There are many out there that know how to pay attention and listen and communicate they just choose not to play in a clan.

I've seen quite a few players pubbing lately that have skills that rival some of the clanners out there.

Kev pm'd me requesting that I play for him, I responded with my own explanation as to why they prefer locked doors, but regardless I've accepted his invitation and I hope he finds a few other good guys to add to the team.

This could be fun I look forward to the scrim

Quote:

I challenge you to not prepare for this...give a date to the clan and then on that date find 4 other guys that are playing in that server. Tell them they are scrimming and try to win. That would be the real test.

Not nescessarily, clans practice, pubbers don't. So what if he picks a team of pubbers. They still don't have the experience of playing together and practicing. It's more of a pub pickup than anything else.

Obviously the clan has the advantage because they've got their strats and their practicing.

Dr.Satan · 04-10-2008, 04:10 PM

true, but I still think it's not the same as just locking down the server with the guys you have in there.

Still I think it will be pretty cool

dys · 04-10-2008, 04:13 PM

What a dumb thread. lol

Organizing something and pubbing, two different things.

Did you even consider they were working on their strat and not all about just playing right away? or who should be playing which positions? It's impossible to talk as a team with a shitload of people that refuse to pause or wait while they work things out.

When your team is looking to pound the fuck out of people or use a couple as fillers to simulate a regular sized match, then it's feasible to use some pubbers. But when you're practicing a map as a team.. ah fuck it everyone's already told you and you're not gonna hear it.

How about this dude, let TML pick your teammates out of a pub and see how that goes.

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Satan

It's not an insult dude it's a straight up fact...trying to scrim against a group of pub players is a waste of time...there is no argument, you are wrong.

Just WHY are you even posting in my challenge thread? Are you going to join TML? I guess you are, you have just been drafted to join TMLs' team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirTiger

playing against pubs is a waste of time. There, i issued an insult as well. Now accept my challenge

So right now it looks like TML, Dr.Satan, SirTiger and 2 or 3 more people on their team.

Hammock has accepted my request, I have one more player, he just dont know it yet - so as of right now I have 3 players including myself. So my team needs 2 or 3 more players.

If you are not going to be part of this challenge, then stay out of this thread.

tml · 04-10-2008, 04:22 PM

Listen bro,

Come up with a challenge worth my time. I fight guys like you on the way to fights

Dr.Satan · 04-10-2008, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~kev~

Just WHY are you even posting in my challenge thread? Are you going to join TML? I guess you are, you have just been drafted to join TMLs' team.

Anyday man...tell me when and where.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~kev~

So right now it looks like TML, Dr.Satan, SirTiger and 2 or 3 more people on their team.

And vinny!?

dys · 04-10-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tml

Listen bro,

Come up with a challenge worth my time. I fight guys like you on the way to fights

lol

"my gun shoots mini-guns for bullets"

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Satan

Anyday man...tell me when and where.

And vinny!?

Are you picking up Vinny? That is fine with me, so that gives your team 4 players.

I am picking up Yoda.

So as of right now its, Yoda, Hammock, and Myself. It might be a little while before I get replies to emails and sent messages. But I will keep yall updated.

We need a server to check out someone has admin rights on. Post an IP address so we can all try it out.

tml · 04-10-2008, 04:30 PM

k lets do this. new map tho

Hammock · 04-10-2008, 04:32 PM

I agree, I don't want to play that map either.

VinnytheBoss · 04-10-2008, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tml

Listen bro,

Come up with a challenge worth my time. I fight guys like you on the way to fights

ROFL

and dude...i dont even think you knoww hat your getting into..

just play 4 goodfellas + tml (to keep it honest with this thread)

yuo can pick any players you want

~kev~ · 04-10-2008, 04:41 PM

I prefered 2fort because I have played so many matches on it. I was looking through my TFC screen shots last night and some of them go back over 2 years. Those were good times.

Ok, so no one likes that version of 2fort - so what map then?

04-10-2008, 03:31 PM	#1
~kev~ pmagnvs Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East Texas Class/Position: Engineer - D Gametype: Free for all CTF - no stupid clan rules Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Challenge to TML According to this thread - http://www.fortress-forever.com/foru...ad.php?t=15473 TML thinks playing against pubs is a waste of time. A challenge is issued to TML for a 4 on 4 or a 5 on 5 match. The map will be 2fort5 - the one that looks like the classic TFC 2fort5. Allow me a few days, maybe a week or so to gather my waste of time "pub" players for a match. I have a few people in mind, emails and messages have already been sent out. When the team has been organized for a match, I will let you know. And I promise you, we will not be wasting your time. Or if you want to do a TFC match, that would be fine also. So take your pick - TFC or FF match on 2fort5. Last edited by ~kev~; 04-10-2008 at 03:41 PM.

04-10-2008, 03:36 PM	#2
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	This is a much better place for a thread like that! However you don't get it really. Playing against the random people who are in your server in a structured match is like trying to train a cage full of deaf elephants to preform in a ballet. You just can't do it. Pub players do not listen and rarely play what / how they are told. It does not matter if your team is on one team b/c O running against 3 pub players is soo much different then O running against 3 clan players. and even if they are your own team and your just playing the same guys over and over it's still better then playing against the elephants. Your idea is kind of on the right track in that playing against each other over and over isn't going to be as valuable as playing against other players. BUT those other players simply can not be pub players. You should practice alone and either scrim or play in pickups to test out your strats...pubs just aren't the solution. AND you getting "pub" players together and organizing them isn't the same either...your essentially making a clan and scrimming them at that point. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

04-10-2008, 03:39 PM	#3
Gator- FF God Join Date: May 2007 Location: TX Class/Position: Scout O, Medic O, Demo D/O, Soldier D Gametype: CTF 4v4 Affiliations: [milkwood] ( GoodFellas ) Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	why tml? The goodfellas challenge you....i dare you to accept __________________ FF_ROASTED_CLASSIC [RELEASED] FF_EVENFLOW_B2 [RELEASED] FF_OPPOSE_B1 [COMING SOON]

04-10-2008, 03:45 PM	#7
Gator- FF God Join Date: May 2007 Location: TX Class/Position: Scout O, Medic O, Demo D/O, Soldier D Gametype: CTF 4v4 Affiliations: [milkwood] ( GoodFellas ) Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	playing against pubs is a waste of time there, i issued an insult as well now accept my challenge __________________ FF_ROASTED_CLASSIC [RELEASED] FF_EVENFLOW_B2 [RELEASED] FF_OPPOSE_B1 [COMING SOON]

04-10-2008, 03:48 PM	#8
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	It's not an insult dude it's a straight up fact...trying to scrim against a group of pub players is a waste of time...there is no argument, you are wrong. Also fellas will crush you, but again...if your picking guys who are good that don't clan then your not picking pub players your making a clan. The whole fact is that in a pub your going to get maybe 1 / 2 guys who are good and 12 that are worthless...of course if you get the 1 guy and then go to another pub and find another good guy til you have 5 you will be a decent team, but that's not a pub it's a scrim... I challenge you to not prepare for this...give a date to the clan and then on that date find 4 other guys that are playing in that server. Tell them they are scrimming and try to win. That would be the real test. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

04-10-2008, 03:40 PM	#4
SmellyCat Darknight Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Way to pick the worst FF map currently avaliable.

04-10-2008, 03:41 PM	#5
VinnytheBoss Boss 4 all da rite reasons Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: jersey Class/Position: O scout/med D sol/demo Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Founder of the Goodfellas. Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	dude chill out...your getting alittle too offended when I said bro..and noone ever said you were gonna waste our time...I said that trying a strategy against a pub team is a waste of time...relax...bro

04-10-2008, 04:10 PM	#10
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	true, but I still think it's not the same as just locking down the server with the guys you have in there. Still I think it will be pretty cool __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

04-10-2008, 04:13 PM	#11
dys I am the nip to your bud. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What a dumb thread. lol Organizing something and pubbing, two different things. Did you even consider they were working on their strat and not all about just playing right away? or who should be playing which positions? It's impossible to talk as a team with a shitload of people that refuse to pause or wait while they work things out. When your team is looking to pound the fuck out of people or use a couple as fillers to simulate a regular sized match, then it's feasible to use some pubbers. But when you're practicing a map as a team.. ah fuck it everyone's already told you and you're not gonna hear it. How about this dude, let TML pick your teammates out of a pub and see how that goes.

04-10-2008, 04:22 PM	#13
tml make it rain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Bay Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Listen bro, Come up with a challenge worth my time. I fight guys like you on the way to fights

04-10-2008, 04:30 PM	#17
tml make it rain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Bay Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	k lets do this. new map tho

04-10-2008, 04:32 PM	#18
Hammock D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	I agree, I don't want to play that map either.

04-10-2008, 04:41 PM	#20
~kev~ pmagnvs Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East Texas Class/Position: Engineer - D Gametype: Free for all CTF - no stupid clan rules Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I prefered 2fort because I have played so many matches on it. I was looking through my TFC screen shots last night and some of them go back over 2 years. Those were good times. Ok, so no one likes that version of 2fort - so what map then?

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