The Disposable Worker

SomeOldGuy · 01-12-2010, 01:19 PM

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...3032935448.htm

"Pay is falling, benefits are vanishing, and no one's job is secure. How companies are making the era of the temp more than temporary."

While I am a capitalist at heart, articles like the above scare me. Not for myself (although like many my company is holding on but barely and still waiting for the "turnaround")... I am afraid for the next and future generations. Greed and corporate narrow-sighted short-term bottom line decisions are painting a very bleak future for the generations to follow mine.

Don't know where it's all headed (and neither does anyone else), but the lack of concern, caring, and consideration for those not in power by those with it is not a good sign for our future. Not good at all.

Scuzzy · 01-12-2010, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeOldGuy

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...3032935448.htm

"Pay is falling, benefits are vanishing, and no one's job is secure. How companies are making the era of the temp more than temporary."

While I am a capitalist at heart, articles like the above scare me. Not for myself (although like many my company is holding on but barely and still waiting for the "turnaround")... I am afraid for the next and future generations. Greed and corporate narrow-sighted short-term bottom line decisions are painting a very bleak future for the generations to follow mine.

Don't know where it's all headed (and neither does anyone else), but the lack of concern, caring, and consideration for those not in power by those with it is not a good sign for our future. Not good at all.

Too many individuals here have been coddled and grown up with a "I deserve" "you owe me" mentality. They have no real idea of what real work is. How many parents tell their kids that if they want that Ipod they'll have to get a paperroute, mow lawns, shovel driveways, walk dogs, etc, now-a-days? The school systems are creating individuals with a false inflated sense of self worth and entitlement. We've taught men and woman that commitment to family is conditional and disposable, "you can have kids and dump them and your wife for someone younger". All in the name of "love" and "peace". You get the workforce you create. This is the end result of failed social policies, a failing economic environment.

Scuzzy

FrenchToast · 01-12-2010, 03:15 PM

Meh, I know one person who is truly spoiled. All my friends are paying for their own educations, have had part time jobs since Grade 9 or 10... It's a well known fact that every generation is discontent with the next one.

stray kitten · 01-12-2010, 07:23 PM

What also scares me is the increasing hostility towards corporations and globalization. Not the nature of globalization necessarily but our policies and how we are dealing with it. For example, we have to compete with some dudes in India or Malaysia or Eastern Europe and Africa in almost every field. Except maybe banking and congress is systematically destroying that industry. Another is medicine and we know where that is going as well. The government is continually spending money it does not have (greed and ignorance) even with less industry to drive tax revenue. While at the same time making it ever more difficult to conduct a business in this country. And speaking of greed, in a time of decreased jobs and tax revenues, congress and the executive takes money they don't have which was approved for a specific purpose (the dumbfuck bail out) and uses a big chunk to give out salary increases. Alot of us are lucky if we don't take pay cuts these days. And especially lucky that we have a job.

Shrink the economy / expand the government. That's good for our future. If you work for the government that is.

Credge · 01-12-2010, 07:29 PM

I'm not paying for my education, yaaaaaaaaaay.

But fuck anyone who thinks I think I'm entitled to it. I'm lucky and privileged and I'm grateful that my father has worked hard so I could get an education without working.

stray kitten · 01-12-2010, 07:31 PM

All that I ask as a tax payer is... you better fucking make good use of it.

FrenchToast · 01-12-2010, 07:46 PM

I lol greatly, because the system in the states, and to some degree canada is SO unbelievable borked. The price of tuition is retarded. If you want to moan about your population being stupid, then make education accessible.

uBeR · 01-12-2010, 10:13 PM

There appears to be a vicious cycle.

Iggy · 01-12-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by uBeR

There appears to be a vicious cycle.

The truly sick part about this fact is that it's going to end up in a class war that's going to be insane. The last time such an event happened, it was peasants wielding farm tools against armies with swords and bow & arrow. This time around, it's going to be nasty, because of the weapons available to both sides.

Chances are, once the rich and powerfull are forced into a corner, they will bring out the military might. It will be similar to the "Machines vs Man scenario as seen in Terminator movies". The semi-poor that have weapons, will have to sneak around and strike with Guerilla/Terrorist tactics, while the rich/powerfull will be flying above in strike helecopters shooting at anything that moves. Anyone not armed or at least knowledgable about guerilla warfare, will, well, be eliminated with no problem.

As many will note, some of the more restrictive laws concerning legal gun ownership and use, will either limit the weapons available.... or make it easier for the government to swoop in and confiscate them as needed(read: at the start of it all).

Backstaber · 01-13-2010, 02:09 AM

I'm also one of those lucky fellows getting state tuition for my community college education, parents figured it's just about the best tax money spent so far.

But I also work at a place where a temporary work force is just that. It's a seasonal job during the summer, and the workers are treated like crap (minimum wage everywhere, even management who is part-time or seasonal makes crap (which I am)) while anyone who is full-time is making quite a living. You can tell when they come in and they have very fancy cars, yet the company itself is going bankrupt.

stray kitten · 01-13-2010, 06:05 PM

I didn't pay for my 1st degree. So at least for a large portion in this thread education is accessible through free tuition.

My second degree however I am STILLLLLL paying 200 a month for. And I didn't even really need it to get by. A pain in the ass when I want to buy a new boil kettle or circulating mash tun but also not bad and reasonably accessible.

FrenchToast · 01-13-2010, 09:51 PM

$200 a month is all you're paying? I think the program I'm looking at will be somewhere in the area of 10-12 thousand for a year.

stray kitten · 01-13-2010, 10:25 PM

That was financing almost 20k that covered 2 years of school.

Credge · 01-14-2010, 05:12 PM

Just a correction:

My father is paying 100% of my bill. Like, totally 100% of it. Everything about it.

01-12-2010, 01:19 PM	#1
SomeOldGuy older than dirt Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	The Disposable Worker http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...3032935448.htm "Pay is falling, benefits are vanishing, and no one's job is secure. How companies are making the era of the temp more than temporary." While I am a capitalist at heart, articles like the above scare me. Not for myself (although like many my company is holding on but barely and still waiting for the "turnaround")... I am afraid for the next and future generations. Greed and corporate narrow-sighted short-term bottom line decisions are painting a very bleak future for the generations to follow mine. Don't know where it's all headed (and neither does anyone else), but the lack of concern, caring, and consideration for those not in power by those with it is not a good sign for our future. Not good at all.

01-12-2010, 03:15 PM	#3
FrenchToast The 1337est D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Omagosh Canada. Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Meh, I know one person who is truly spoiled. All my friends are paying for their own educations, have had part time jobs since Grade 9 or 10... It's a well known fact that every generation is discontent with the next one. __________________ James, while John had had 'had', had had 'had had' ; 'had had' had had a better effect on the teacher.

01-12-2010, 07:23 PM	#4
stray kitten mjau D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Class/Position: kittens are sneaky, spy Gametype: Capture the mouse Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	What also scares me is the increasing hostility towards corporations and globalization. Not the nature of globalization necessarily but our policies and how we are dealing with it. For example, we have to compete with some dudes in India or Malaysia or Eastern Europe and Africa in almost every field. Except maybe banking and congress is systematically destroying that industry. Another is medicine and we know where that is going as well. The government is continually spending money it does not have (greed and ignorance) even with less industry to drive tax revenue. While at the same time making it ever more difficult to conduct a business in this country. And speaking of greed, in a time of decreased jobs and tax revenues, congress and the executive takes money they don't have which was approved for a specific purpose (the dumbfuck bail out) and uses a big chunk to give out salary increases. Alot of us are lucky if we don't take pay cuts these days. And especially lucky that we have a job. Shrink the economy / expand the government. That's good for our future. If you work for the government that is. __________________ 6 of the 10 richest counties in America now surround Washington D.C. Our "capitol" edged out Silicon Valley as the nation's richest metro area. Reality Distortion Field = 1. Stream the distractions: One percent, hoodies, and kony oh my.

01-12-2010, 07:29 PM	#5
Credge FF Loremaster Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	I'm not paying for my education, yaaaaaaaaaay. But fuck anyone who thinks I think I'm entitled to it. I'm lucky and privileged and I'm grateful that my father has worked hard so I could get an education without working. __________________ "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

01-12-2010, 07:31 PM	#6
stray kitten mjau D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Class/Position: kittens are sneaky, spy Gametype: Capture the mouse Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	All that I ask as a tax payer is... you better fucking make good use of it. __________________ 6 of the 10 richest counties in America now surround Washington D.C. Our "capitol" edged out Silicon Valley as the nation's richest metro area. Reality Distortion Field = 1. Stream the distractions: One percent, hoodies, and kony oh my.

01-12-2010, 07:46 PM	#7
FrenchToast The 1337est D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Omagosh Canada. Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	I lol greatly, because the system in the states, and to some degree canada is SO unbelievable borked. The price of tuition is retarded. If you want to moan about your population being stupid, then make education accessible. __________________ James, while John had had 'had', had had 'had had' ; 'had had' had had a better effect on the teacher.

01-12-2010, 10:13 PM	#8
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There appears to be a vicious cycle. __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

01-13-2010, 02:09 AM	#10
Backstaber Custom User Title D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Jersey Class/Position: Scout Offence Gametype: Capture The Flag Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm also one of those lucky fellows getting state tuition for my community college education, parents figured it's just about the best tax money spent so far. But I also work at a place where a temporary work force is just that. It's a seasonal job during the summer, and the workers are treated like crap (minimum wage everywhere, even management who is part-time or seasonal makes crap (which I am)) while anyone who is full-time is making quite a living. You can tell when they come in and they have very fancy cars, yet the company itself is going bankrupt.

01-13-2010, 06:05 PM	#11
stray kitten mjau D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Class/Position: kittens are sneaky, spy Gametype: Capture the mouse Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I didn't pay for my 1st degree. So at least for a large portion in this thread education is accessible through free tuition. My second degree however I am STILLLLLL paying 200 a month for. And I didn't even really need it to get by. A pain in the ass when I want to buy a new boil kettle or circulating mash tun but also not bad and reasonably accessible. __________________ 6 of the 10 richest counties in America now surround Washington D.C. Our "capitol" edged out Silicon Valley as the nation's richest metro area. Reality Distortion Field = 1. Stream the distractions: One percent, hoodies, and kony oh my.

01-13-2010, 09:51 PM	#12
FrenchToast The 1337est D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Omagosh Canada. Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	$200 a month is all you're paying? I think the program I'm looking at will be somewhere in the area of 10-12 thousand for a year. __________________ James, while John had had 'had', had had 'had had' ; 'had had' had had a better effect on the teacher.

01-13-2010, 10:25 PM	#13
stray kitten mjau D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Class/Position: kittens are sneaky, spy Gametype: Capture the mouse Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	That was financing almost 20k that covered 2 years of school. __________________ 6 of the 10 richest counties in America now surround Washington D.C. Our "capitol" edged out Silicon Valley as the nation's richest metro area. Reality Distortion Field = 1. Stream the distractions: One percent, hoodies, and kony oh my. Last edited by stray kitten; 01-13-2010 at 10:27 PM.

01-14-2010, 05:12 PM	#14
Credge FF Loremaster Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	Just a correction: My father is paying 100% of my bill. Like, totally 100% of it. Everything about it. __________________ "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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