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Lost · 12-17-2006, 07:17 PM

I keep mine up for friends and myself to hop on and fuck around. I couldn't really care if anyone else uses it, but newbs seem to like it none the less. Plus, the concjumping cockbots just rock.

Needless to say, I'll run a small FF server and turn the bots on when we LAN, I doubt we'll need them once the game is released.

o_cr0c0dile · 12-17-2006, 11:05 PM

Im going to make a bot server too and password it so no humans can join. There will be no time limit on the server, just two teams of bots locked into eternal combat. Then Ill be able to go in and spectate it whenever I want to. OMFG I cant wait!

o_zaskar · 12-18-2006, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh4x

Bots are only a way to fill in a server to make it look like it's usefull when in fact it should be shut down because it's not needed at all.

less servers = more ppl on each server = no need for bots = better community overall

Thats kinda wrong ;P

No thats allot wrong acually :P

No one joins an empty server unless they LOVE that server so much that they want to join it and play by themself in hopes that others then see 1 player and want to join.

So if for whatever reason a server goes to 0 people, then others join servers that have players in it, for that instant gratification.

Smart way to do it is have the server rotation throw in a few odd maps, customs others arent running, that will draw people in just to DL the new map and see it, making it no longer empty. They usually will stay if others join in time.
TFC people are like old men set in their ways though latley :P

More servers with a few people is good, never wanna rely on a few servers, for some reason most popular servers have douchy admins too, which I always find odd. (the dont break the rules type that thinks its different when they do it cause their the admin)

Theres allot to runnin a server Sh4q that you dont know :P

That said, bots suck, they make a server seem un empty which is good, but i cant stress this enough, soon as a real player joins there should be a build in command they can type that will remove bots. Make it a vote if needed (and dont make the mistake mani mod does, counting in bots/HLTV, etc for the needed votes :P) that way a player or 2 could join and insta turn off bots.

1 person per team > 2 people playing with 10 bots

o_ghost · 12-18-2006, 12:14 PM

I dunno what types of servers you run. Custom maps (execpet for openfire and a few others) have always cleared out servers. I've seen this to be true throught TFC's history. People usually don't want to wait and download a map to play. They want to jump in on a map they already know. If you can get a solid base of players on your server then it can survive with a custom map in the rotation.

And again, the reason noone joins a server with noone playing on it is because there are just too many servers out there and not enough people to play on them. Back when the number of players vastly outnumbered the number of servers it was pretty easy to get people playing on them without bots in them.

o_df` · 12-18-2006, 02:06 PM

Yeah, but now apparently maps download instantly, provided you have the bandwidth (and most people do these days,) because you can redirect them to a download web address, rather than sending straight from the server.

o_sh4x · 12-18-2006, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaskar

Thats kinda wrong ;P

No thats allot wrong acually :P

No one joins an empty server unless they LOVE that server so much that they want to join it and play by themself in hopes that others then see 1 player and want to join.

So if for whatever reason a server goes to 0 people, then others join servers that have players in it, for that instant gratification.

Smart way to do it is have the server rotation throw in a few odd maps, customs others arent running, that will draw people in just to DL the new map and see it, making it no longer empty. They usually will stay if others join in time.
TFC people are like old men set in their ways though latley :P

More servers with a few people is good, never wanna rely on a few servers, for some reason most popular servers have douchy admins too, which I always find odd. (the dont break the rules type that thinks its different when they do it cause their the admin)

Theres allot to runnin a server Sh4q that you dont know :P

That said, bots suck, they make a server seem un empty which is good, but i cant stress this enough, soon as a real player joins there should be a build in command they can type that will remove bots. Make it a vote if needed (and dont make the mistake mani mod does, counting in bots/HLTV, etc for the needed votes :P) that way a player or 2 could join and insta turn off bots.

1 person per team > 2 people playing with 10 bots

I've ran servers in the past so I don't know why you're saying there's alot I don't know.

Maybe you haven't been around long enough to see it and that's why you don't understand but lemme repeat what others have said so far:

A couple years ago there were no bots and just enough servers so that when you would join an an empty server, it would fill real quick.

So, just enough servers means no need for bots.

o_lt llama · 12-19-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RP

It's not the bots that killed tfc, it just became old.

TFC aint dead, it just smells like it, and if you cant stand the smell, you aint no real TFC player.

o_player · 12-19-2006, 06:38 PM

The community is dwindling though : (

o_gambit · 12-19-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Paft

Also I've seen numerous people who don't know they are playing with bots and no humans, I have entered a servers with 1 person and a bunch of bots and he/she is chatting away to them.

hahaha....i love it.....

whats even funnier is them knowing their bots and then you make the bot speak....haha....it throws them off....

Noobs have it so bad....haha

o_fjorn · 12-19-2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh4x

I've ran servers in the past so I don't know why you're saying there's alot I don't know.

Maybe you haven't been around long enough to see it and that's why you don't understand but lemme repeat what others have said so far:

A couple years ago there were no bots and just enough servers so that when you would join an an empty server, it would fill real quick.

So, just enough servers means no need for bots.

I played TFC a couple years ago, and this is a complete and utter lie
Sure, less servers had bots, but there were more servers with stupid mods (no bhop servers ftl) and stupid admins (dVa's server for instance...)

not to mention that all the retarded pubbers, and moronic clanners, all went to the more popular servers

So most of the servers worth playing on... had bots

o_nuk3m · 12-20-2006, 05:42 PM

more or less i am retired and just wanted to have a bot server to mess around in with bots. i remember back in the won days when it wasnt difficult for bots to be implemented, id max the server to 32 peeps, and have all scouts running on offfense and ill be a ENGI with a level 3 sentry just knocking the shit out of them it was so fun.

o_df` · 12-20-2006, 06:42 PM

That does kind of sound like fun...I always thought the bots were counterintuitive to configure though, having to edit a config file before starting the game, figuring out what fields do what, sifting through documentation...not really worth it.

o_nuk3m · 12-20-2006, 06:46 PM

yeah well if you were a cloest zombie most of ur youth and played video games all day. heh not too boring.

Dospac · 12-21-2006, 12:43 AM

Not speaking for the team here, personally I've seen public servers do much better without bots.

When a TFC server is empty except bots and the first real player joins, he may or may not enjoy himself there, depending on how he tolerates the horrible TFC bots. When the second and beyond players join however, the bots simply get in the way and reduce the quality of play for most people. What I mean is most people would prefer to play against a few human players without the bots, instead of a few human players with a full team of bots on both sides.

Additionally, any server with bots is going to see a huge reduction in players as a good percentage of TFC players just won't bother with the bots.

In the past, you could hop onto a server and expect people to join in and get a game going. When there are bots on that server along with the lone player, that reduces the number of people willing to join and start a game. Of the people who scan servers and would go in and join a small number of players and get a game going, it is my observation that even fewer of that demographic tolerate bots.

Clearly if FF bots are better, this will be less of an issue. Still, it is a potential problem FF faces imo.

o_nuk3m · 12-21-2006, 12:49 AM

so are you saying Bots will be in the first release?

o_bokko · 12-21-2006, 12:50 AM

I'd just like a bot who would go engy, build an SG where I wanted and then maintained it. That way you could practise flagroom flagthrows and such.

o_nezumi · 12-21-2006, 08:15 AM

I think having 1 bot in an empty server that drops as soon as 1 player joins would be usefull for keeping your map off the 'has no players' filter, but beyond that I hate bots.

Dospac, is it possible to include an actual filter for bot servers in FF or do you not have access to that?

o_[o-t] scuzzy · 12-22-2006, 02:32 PM

We've always kept 4 bots in the server and removed one for each player that joins. Once 4 people are in the server all bots are gone. This has worked pretty well for us over the years, and properly configured FoxBots aren't that bad.

Scuzzy

o_nezumi · 12-23-2006, 10:33 AM

I could pretty well live with as few as 4 bots.

o_paft · 12-23-2006, 01:01 PM

My Scuzzy someone that's not a total muppet when I comes to running a server. The top servers are packet with around 12.

12-17-2006, 07:17 PM	#21
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	I keep mine up for friends and myself to hop on and fuck around. I couldn't really care if anyone else uses it, but newbs seem to like it none the less. Plus, the concjumping cockbots just rock. Needless to say, I'll run a small FF server and turn the bots on when we LAN, I doubt we'll need them once the game is released. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

12-22-2006, 02:32 PM	#38
o_[o-t] scuzzy Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	We've always kept 4 bots in the server and removed one for each player that joins. Once 4 people are in the server all bots are gone. This has worked pretty well for us over the years, and properly configured FoxBots aren't that bad. Scuzzy __________________ www.oldtimersclan.com Fortress Forever Community Map Test Server: 72.232.94.154:27025

12-17-2006, 11:05 PM	#22
o_cr0c0dile Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Im going to make a bot server too and password it so no humans can join. There will be no time limit on the server, just two teams of bots locked into eternal combat. Then Ill be able to go in and spectate it whenever I want to. OMFG I cant wait!

12-18-2006, 12:14 PM	#24
o_ghost Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I dunno what types of servers you run. Custom maps (execpet for openfire and a few others) have always cleared out servers. I've seen this to be true throught TFC's history. People usually don't want to wait and download a map to play. They want to jump in on a map they already know. If you can get a solid base of players on your server then it can survive with a custom map in the rotation. And again, the reason noone joins a server with noone playing on it is because there are just too many servers out there and not enough people to play on them. Back when the number of players vastly outnumbered the number of servers it was pretty easy to get people playing on them without bots in them.

12-18-2006, 02:06 PM	#25
o_df` Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, but now apparently maps download instantly, provided you have the bandwidth (and most people do these days,) because you can redirect them to a download web address, rather than sending straight from the server.

12-19-2006, 06:38 PM	#28
o_player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The community is dwindling though : (

12-20-2006, 05:42 PM	#31
o_nuk3m Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersy, USA! reppin' Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	more or less i am retired and just wanted to have a bot server to mess around in with bots. i remember back in the won days when it wasnt difficult for bots to be implemented, id max the server to 32 peeps, and have all scouts running on offfense and ill be a ENGI with a level 3 sentry just knocking the shit out of them it was so fun.

12-20-2006, 06:42 PM	#32
o_df` Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That does kind of sound like fun...I always thought the bots were counterintuitive to configure though, having to edit a config file before starting the game, figuring out what fields do what, sifting through documentation...not really worth it.

12-20-2006, 06:46 PM	#33
o_nuk3m Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersy, USA! reppin' Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yeah well if you were a cloest zombie most of ur youth and played video games all day. heh not too boring.

12-21-2006, 12:43 AM	#34
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Not speaking for the team here, personally I've seen public servers do much better without bots. When a TFC server is empty except bots and the first real player joins, he may or may not enjoy himself there, depending on how he tolerates the horrible TFC bots. When the second and beyond players join however, the bots simply get in the way and reduce the quality of play for most people. What I mean is most people would prefer to play against a few human players without the bots, instead of a few human players with a full team of bots on both sides. Additionally, any server with bots is going to see a huge reduction in players as a good percentage of TFC players just won't bother with the bots. In the past, you could hop onto a server and expect people to join in and get a game going. When there are bots on that server along with the lone player, that reduces the number of people willing to join and start a game. Of the people who scan servers and would go in and join a small number of players and get a game going, it is my observation that even fewer of that demographic tolerate bots. Clearly if FF bots are better, this will be less of an issue. Still, it is a potential problem FF faces imo.

12-21-2006, 12:49 AM	#35
o_nuk3m Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersy, USA! reppin' Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	so are you saying Bots will be in the first release?

12-21-2006, 12:50 AM	#36
o_bokko Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'd just like a bot who would go engy, build an SG where I wanted and then maintained it. That way you could practise flagroom flagthrows and such.

12-21-2006, 08:15 AM	#37
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think having 1 bot in an empty server that drops as soon as 1 player joins would be usefull for keeping your map off the 'has no players' filter, but beyond that I hate bots. Dospac, is it possible to include an actual filter for bot servers in FF or do you not have access to that?

12-23-2006, 10:33 AM	#39
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I could pretty well live with as few as 4 bots.

12-23-2006, 01:01 PM	#40
o_paft Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	My Scuzzy someone that's not a total muppet when I comes to running a server. The top servers are packet with around 12.

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