4v4 league? Any interest? - Page 4

illogicality- · 10-03-2008, 08:15 PM

I'm not 'flaming' here - simply stating a point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopajoo

Unfortunately bragging (the prize) only leads to:

People talking shit.

Just because you have the 'bragging rights' doesn't mean you have to brag or be an eliteist prick. I can't count the number of times I've seen or heard about you or your counterpart call someone 'noob' or put them down while in a scrim or some other FUN (or supposed to be) match. Neither myself or my teammates have EVER called someone 'noob' in a 2v2, gather, practice, scrim or match or harassed them because of their ability, or lack thereof. That is something you simply don't understand.

I'm not posting to argue with your or try to start something. I think a 4v4 league would be a great idea, but 'neutral parties' should admin it - not players disliked by the majority of the community.

**squeek.** · 10-03-2008, 09:48 PM

Ok, so this new 4v4/2v2 league will be the FF.PL (FF.Pickup League), and Vinny and I will be the head admins. Expect a website sometime in the future.

If you guys have any suggestions, feel free to post 'em up (caesiums have been noted).

Not sure how to handle the whole EU situation. Perhaps some sort of opt-in type dealie, but it seems like it's going to get complicated. Will have to talk it over with Vinny.

EDIT: http://www.ffpickup.com/league/

Gator- · 10-04-2008, 04:42 AM

Please add some color, I hate the gray layout of Fortress Forever and FFPickup

**squeek.** · 10-04-2008, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gator-

Please add some color, I hate the gray layout of Fortress Forever and FFPickup

Says clangoodfellas.info.

Gator- · 10-04-2008, 05:30 AM

it has all sorts of colors...

**squeek.** · 10-04-2008, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gator-

it has all sorts of colors...

Black, gray, and blue-gray?

Gator- · 10-04-2008, 05:41 AM

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kayone · 10-04-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by !nF3D4L

it was only inactive cause there were no euros teams

Instead of re-inventing the wheel - just kick this off again?

Credge · 10-04-2008, 11:58 AM

Updated the first page with what squeek posted. Someone might want to make a new post soonish (Squeek or Vinny).

kayone · 10-04-2008, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Credge

Updated the first page with what squeek posted. Someone might want to make a new post soonish (Squeek or Vinny).

The URL in the opening post doesn't seem to work - is this a work in progress?

Credge · 10-04-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kayone

The URL in the opening post doesn't seem to work - is this a work in progress?

Guess it was a typo.

Thanks for mentioning it.

Edit: Weird. I just clicked the link and it was broken. Then I refreshed and it worked.

...?

**squeek.** · 10-04-2008, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Credge

Guess it was a typo.

Thanks for mentioning it.

Edit: Weird. I just clicked the link and it was broken. Then I refreshed and it worked.

...?

Dunno.

pF · 10-04-2008, 08:56 PM

It's because squeek sucks!

**squeek.** · 10-04-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by -pF-

It's because squeek sucks!

You got me again. That hurts.

ryu^ · 10-06-2008, 02:30 PM

like you say 4x15min rounds might work but ud probably have to play the same map 4 times, which might be a little annoying. alternatively you could have a home and away match (play eachother twice on seperate occasions)

it would definately have to be 4v4 ovd tho (until the community grows), that is what the format of most maps is designed for. having played a 5vs5 full game the other day it didn't really work in my opinion.

maybe there could be a euro 4vs4 and a world 4vs4 league?

on a sidenote i think the community needs to put together an avi, showing off the game mechanics and some nice offy moves etc (not mid map dming spies/demoman/pyros), to try and tempt a few more old skool tfc people back. the clan scene would take off a lot quicker with some older faces increasing the number of clans around, instead of new comers taking the time to learn the game before even thinking about joining a clan.

Credge · 10-06-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ryu^

like you say 4x15min rounds might work but ud probably have to play the same map 4 times, which might be a little annoying. alternatively you could have a home and away match (play eachother twice on seperate occasions)

The way it was suggested is no different than the current league format in regards to total time played on a map. It would last just slightly longer (like... 10 minutes longer) than what we have now, which seems to be fairly decent.

But as you said, 5v is like... really bad in FF. The only reason it's getting played is due to a lack of players. I also agree with the AVI stuffs. We need a POTW to go with this league.

tml · 10-06-2008, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Credge

Cons: Team that plays offense second has an advantage

you know i don't agree with this at all. You brought it up a while ago, i just want to see what other people think. It doesn't make sense to me. Okay if you are playing offense second you know exactly how many times you have to cap to win. Guess what? The defence knows exactly how many flags they cant let out. It would just come down to what your 4v4 team is better at under pressure: D or O

Credge · 10-06-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tml

you know i don't agree with this at all. You brought it up a while ago, i just want to see what other people think. It doesn't make sense to me. Okay if you are playing offense second you know exactly how many times you have to cap to win. Guess what? The defence knows exactly how many flags they cant let out. It would just come down to what your 4v4 team is better at under pressure: D or O

It's no different than the Olympics or golf. People that do better in the trials get to go later on in the day. They are rewarded with the knowledge of what they have to beat.

This doesn't matter if you count each round as a win instead of taking each as a score. It's also not a major con as you're playing multiple rounds (4, where you switch off who goes first). There is an advantage, just like there is an advantage to being on the red team in CTF. 4v eliminates one set of problems but brings in another. One side/person will always have a natural advantage if everyone does not go at the same time (like any running sport, as an example). It's just how the human brain works. If robots were playing, there wouldn't be any advantage.

Skanky Butterpuss · 10-06-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Credge

There is an advantage, just like there is an advantage to being on the red team in CTF.

uhh, wut?

Jester · 10-06-2008, 08:53 PM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...570918,00.html
That's only the first result for "psychology behind red winning", but that should answer your question Skanky.

10-03-2008, 09:48 PM	#62
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	Ok, so this new 4v4/2v2 league will be the FF.PL (FF.Pickup League), and Vinny and I will be the head admins. Expect a website sometime in the future. If you guys have any suggestions, feel free to post 'em up (caesiums have been noted). Not sure how to handle the whole EU situation. Perhaps some sort of opt-in type dealie, but it seems like it's going to get complicated. Will have to talk it over with Vinny. EDIT: http://www.ffpickup.com/league/ __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington Last edited by squeek.; 10-04-2008 at 12:30 AM.

10-04-2008, 04:42 AM	#63
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10-04-2008, 05:41 AM	#67
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10-04-2008, 11:58 AM	#69
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10-06-2008, 02:30 PM	#75
ryu^ Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	like you say 4x15min rounds might work but ud probably have to play the same map 4 times, which might be a little annoying. alternatively you could have a home and away match (play eachother twice on seperate occasions) it would definately have to be 4v4 ovd tho (until the community grows), that is what the format of most maps is designed for. having played a 5vs5 full game the other day it didn't really work in my opinion. maybe there could be a euro 4vs4 and a world 4vs4 league? on a sidenote i think the community needs to put together an avi, showing off the game mechanics and some nice offy moves etc (not mid map dming spies/demoman/pyros), to try and tempt a few more old skool tfc people back. the clan scene would take off a lot quicker with some older faces increasing the number of clans around, instead of new comers taking the time to learn the game before even thinking about joining a clan. __________________ Support FF:

10-06-2008, 08:53 PM	#80
Jester Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: O: Scout Affiliations: {NFO} - New Family Order Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://www.spiegel.de/international/...570918,00.html That's only the first result for "psychology behind red winning", but that should answer your question Skanky.

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