05-03-2007, 03:27 PM | #1 |
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THE SHOWDOWN: Does God exist?
Well, we will find out for sure this Wednesday.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3130360&page=1 *snicker*
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05-03-2007, 03:35 PM | #2 |
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huh? Let's make it a TV special why don't we. Just give more people a reason to trust the judgment of what we're told....
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05-03-2007, 04:29 PM | #3 |
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05-03-2007, 04:44 PM | #4 |
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Atheism has always facinated me. In Atheism there is no good or evil, there is no right and wrong, there is no moral definition. Killing another human being is no different then killing an animal or an insect, it's survival of the fittest. They choose to either do something, or not do something, based soley on the immediate consequence of their action or inaction and how that can best benefit them. That has to be a very freeing way to live.
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05-03-2007, 04:54 PM | #5 |
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Religion should've taken a decline in influence around 0AD. End of.
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I mean, of course there is right or wrong, and killing an human is not different at all thank killing an insect, I mean, if we don't have the right to take a man's life, who gave us the right to take an animal's (not human!) life? Anyway, one of the things that I really think should happend is a natural selection AMONG human race, come on! if we keep having babies on this speed soon there'll be no room for anyone on the earth, and man will surely try to go to another planet, and then destroy that planet too. Viruses are more inteligent than we are for fuck's sake (at least some of them), 'cause they infect someone, make their life, and die, AND DO NOT KILL THE INFECTED (in some cases, do not insert douch comment here, please.), wich is exactly what we're doing. (Wow, got totally off-topic, but hey, I needed to say this to someone) |
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05-03-2007, 05:08 PM | #7 |
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Theism has always fascinated me. In theism there is no good or evil, there is no right and wrong, there is no moral definition. There is only a set of rules, laid down by The Book. Theists choose to either do something, or not do something, based soley on the consequence their action or inaction will have for them in the afterlife.
It's pretty scary living in a world with people who would be completely amoral if they realised their delusions for what they were. |
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05-03-2007, 05:24 PM | #8 |
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I'd love to see how you support that Theists have no good or evil and that they'd be amoral without the moral code that stems from their beliefs. I don't believe you can support it while maintaining any measure of intellectual honesty.
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me, i more or less don't even bother wasting my time believing or not believing... in other words i am not a die hard atheist nor am i religious. i just live. i obey the law (some what) and that's that. i do what i need to do to survive and call it a day. just makes no sense to live my life according to some story written ages ago but if you do then, whatever floats your boat. EDIT: oh and if anyone finds this topic interesting you should rent the documentary called JESUS CAMP. it is about this camp they have for young children (under the age of 8 mostly but all age ranges are welcome) where they teach them the evangelistic way of life. "We think it is important to teach kids at a very early age because what they learn by the time they are 8 or 9 years old is pretty much ingrained in the heads" is what the camp founders says. when asked "Don't you think this is a little unfair to the children? Giving them no choice or option to choose what to believe..." all they do is repeat "We think it is important to teach them at an early age... etc etc" which doesn't even answer the question. these kids are at this camp smashing ceramic coffee cups in the name of jesus. they are "speaking in tongues" and preaching to the other kids. it is very scary... a good watch. eye opener. Last edited by allisvoid; 05-03-2007 at 05:37 PM. |
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allisvoid wins the thread.
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05-03-2007, 06:35 PM | #14 |
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Is this shit necessary?
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05-03-2007, 06:38 PM | #15 |
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Has the interwebz still not learned that talking about any matters as serious as religion, political opinion, or methods of raising children is simply a flame-fest waiting to happen?
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Hawk Eye, whatever happens, I think it's still way better than saying nothing.
Anyways, I support Allisvoid and ekiM in this thread so far. Scuzzy, I really don't understand how you can say that there's no moral definition in Atheism. Did you really mean that? If anything, Atheism is based around morality and religion is based around faith. Last edited by Sh4x; 05-03-2007 at 06:57 PM. |
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05-03-2007, 07:19 PM | #18 |
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Fingaru Pantsu!
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If Atheism is true then natural evolution is the only end result of mankind. No creationism, no God. In nature there are no "Good" creatures or "Bad" creatures. Each animal, on his own accord, makes choices about what they do. Do they kill something for food? Do they kill something to get it's mate? Do they kill something to protect their pissing ground? These are judgements an animal makes and there is no "right or wrong" about them, they are simply choices. It doesn't make the animal (or person) immoral, because the concept of a "moral" can not exist with the classic definition as it does in a religous belief system. If you truely embrace Atheism to it's logical conclusion then the *concepts* of good and evil do not exist, they are mearly words that are applied to things that one person likes or dislikes. Morals are just a conceptual set of rules makes by society to govern people, but they are not rights endowed by a creator in Atheism. No living creature in Atheism has a *right* to life, because again "rights" are just something a true atheist believes man made up. If you are an atheist there is no value upon your life other then that you put on it yourself, once you are gone you are gone. This is why I said killing is completely normal in a true Atheistic view of society, if one wolf wants anothers mate, they take it, even if it means killing to get her. That's nature, that's atheism, man could do the same thing and it would be no different. Now, that does not mean all atheist are killers, nor that they want to go out and kill. Many atheists believe in live and let live and that's fine, that is their choice. But there's no basis for that belief, other then it benefits them because they do not fear for their own life and they do not want to go to jail. Again, this doesn't mean that Atheist are bad people or do not live under a code of conduct that they've assigned to themselves, most do. Again, this is a debate on the concepts of Atheism and their logical conclusion, not individuals, I'm not attacking anyone here. Scuzzy
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