Moby And RAM Reccomendtions

Paft · 12-27-2009, 01:01 PM

Story in short:
So, something isn't right with this comp which hasn't been from the start. Some 1080p videos can be out of sync and games play like crap (TFC, FF and Q3 - Only games I play). Also an external HDD disconnects during file transfer on this machine only.

When I first put it together I was on a P4 CPU for a little while. I have also been 3 different HDDs since. I have also been on XP, tried Vista and now on 7. And it still runs exactly the same.

I am a little out of the game so I'd like your suggestions.I am looking to spend about £140 including VAT + Delivery

Mobys:
Store 1
Store 2

RAM:
Store 1
Store 2

Current Specs:
Cooler Master Centurion 5 Silver
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PRO (Socket LGA775)

Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 2.40GHz (Retail 775)
Asrock CONROEXFIRE eSATA2 775 Motherboard
OCZ 1GB PC2-5400 Gold GX Edition (2x512MB)
Hiper 580W Modular PSU BLACK
nVidia GeForce 7600GT 256MB PCI-E

Paft · 12-28-2009, 04:15 PM

I think it is best to just make the most of what I can with the money. Get a decent cheap board, slap 4GB of decent RAM in and be done with it. Then then after a couple of years when it starts feeling old I'll build an entirely new system with DDR3 RAM etc.

There are some decent ASUS and Gigabyte boards in the £30s and £40s range.

Bridget · 12-29-2009, 01:47 AM

Why do you need four gigabytes of memory? It gets in to diminishing returns at that point. Unless you're planning on editing videos or animating for hours on end, I don't see why that much memory is needed. Future proof? Windows 7? Nothing has managed to overrun my standard two-gig setup. I would cut it down to 2 gigs and spend that extra money on the motherboard. It is, after all, the main component.

GenghisTron · 12-29-2009, 02:00 AM

I personally do like a thousand things at once on my computer, and could always benefit from more RAM. I have 3gb, and I could see having 6+. I'm always running iTunes, mIRC, Firefox/Chrome with dozens of tabs, Hammer, Photoshop, and I've recently been downloading DVD5's off of Pirate Bay (700gb worth on my HDD right now) and burning them, meanwhile I'm uploading the ones I just burned to my personal FTP. I also do video editing and modelling on the side from time to time.

Usually I have all that going on at the same time, so if he's someone like me he could definitely benefit from more RAM.

Dr.Satan · 12-29-2009, 07:33 AM

lol sounds like me!

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Paft · 01-12-2010, 12:22 PM

So I am going for this moby:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=36993

What is Patriot RAM like?
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=29822

SomeOldGuy · 01-12-2010, 01:58 PM

Paft, you could/should go to ASUS web site and get the "Qualified Vendors List (QVL)" for compatible RAM for that motherboard.

You can find it in the downloads section of support for your specific motherboard (P5KL-AM SE) .

FWIW, in a quick look at the pdf, Patriot wasn't listed (unless it's also known as "PSC"). Doesn't mean it won't work, just that it's not on the "approved" list of RAM for this mobo.

A strange thing is that there are no 2GB RAM modules listed... ?

Paft · 01-12-2010, 02:52 PM

Yeah, I looked before here.

I am pretty damn tired atm, can't quite make sense of it.

The annoying thing with these lists is that they're short and outdated. Is Patriot not on the list because it does not work well or have they just not tested?

And why isn't 4GB listed? I want 4! 2GB Kingston is listed, but I don't think that is referring to 1 stick. It seems to be referring to a 2x 1GB kit.

SomeOldGuy · 01-12-2010, 05:13 PM

Looks like it's the same as on the ASUS site.

Dunno about Patriot... likely they haven't tested it, but I really cannot say. You could (if you wanted) to contact ASUS support and ask them.

As for the 2GBx2 DIMM's... according to the manual, you can go with 512mb,1gb,2gb,4gb unbuffered ECC/non-ECC DDR2 DIMMs.

If you go dual-channel, then it must be inserted in the "yellow slots".

Beyond that, Patriots "should" work, but unless you ask ASUS support or google or go to their forums and ask I'm not sure any of us could answer reliably.

Paft · 01-12-2010, 08:32 PM

I just uploaded that PDF for convenience as it needed some Asus download manager at the time..

Also you're probably looking at the wrong motherboard because the moby listed on Aria only has 2 DIMM slots. I couldn't even see it on the site. I got it from download section or something (can't remember. TIRED!), like you said. There is a "P5KPL-AM" and a "P5KPL SE" but no "Asus P5KPL-AM SE"...

Yeah, thanks I think I'll get in touch with them.

Edit: Was just about to look around on the forums (if they have any) and :

"Sorry!

We are undergoing web site maintenance and will be online very soon!"

Haha..

SomeOldGuy · 01-12-2010, 09:15 PM

did you try here?
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us

That's the asus web site where I dowloaded the manual specific to the PK5L-AM SE.

Select Product = Motherboard
Series = Socket775
Scroll down the Models to the PK5L-AM SE.

It will give you downloads for several things, including the users manual (which contains the info on the memory as well as board layout)

and yes, it only contains 2 dimm slots.

Paft · 01-12-2010, 09:18 PM

Yes, I got it form there.

Thanks for the responses. I'll look around on the forums and contact them.

Lt Llama · 01-13-2010, 08:09 PM

At last no more Paft (Poo PC)

Paft · 01-14-2010, 08:11 AM

Just so you know, I am probably going to go for this RAM. Has "1x Winner of Customer Choice Award - Desktop Memory" on Newegg.

edit: and because according to G.skill's site they're compatible with the board.

SomeOldGuy · 01-14-2010, 09:19 AM

Sounds great, Paft. Good luck with the build!

Paft · 01-25-2010, 06:17 PM

So got the stuff, and TFC/FF/Q3 play just the same. In x64 win 7, running on a 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache.

I know the graphics card is a bit dated, but...flip!

Like before, it feels just fine for regular stuff, but still, games do not feel right!

The only plus is the last 1080p vid I played on the old rig would occasionally go out of sync. It doesn't seem to on this.

Not sure whether to get my money back and just slap some Value 1GB 667 ram in my board (cause that's all they sell for that spec now) and be done with it. Or keep the gear...

What a joke.

What do you think?

EDIT:
Sent back. Going to just make do with this machine and build a new one somewhere down the line. Adding 2gb of ocz 677 though. Need it.

12-27-2009, 01:01 PM	#1
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Moby And RAM Reccomendtions Story in short: So, something isn't right with this comp which hasn't been from the start. Some 1080p videos can be out of sync and games play like crap (TFC, FF and Q3 - Only games I play). Also an external HDD disconnects during file transfer on this machine only. When I first put it together I was on a P4 CPU for a little while. I have also been 3 different HDDs since. I have also been on XP, tried Vista and now on 7. And it still runs exactly the same. I am a little out of the game so I'd like your suggestions.I am looking to spend about £140 including VAT + Delivery Mobys: Store 1 Store 2 RAM: Store 1 Store 2 Current Specs: Cooler Master Centurion 5 Silver Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PRO (Socket LGA775) Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 2.40GHz (Retail 775) Asrock CONROEXFIRE eSATA2 775 Motherboard OCZ 1GB PC2-5400 Gold GX Edition (2x512MB) Hiper 580W Modular PSU BLACK nVidia GeForce 7600GT 256MB PCI-E __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 12-27-2009 at 01:10 PM.

12-28-2009, 04:15 PM	#2
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	I think it is best to just make the most of what I can with the money. Get a decent cheap board, slap 4GB of decent RAM in and be done with it. Then then after a couple of years when it starts feeling old I'll build an entirely new system with DDR3 RAM etc. There are some decent ASUS and Gigabyte boards in the £30s and £40s range. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012

12-29-2009, 02:00 AM	#4
GenghisTron AKA LittleAndroidMan D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dystopia Class/Position: Demo/Medic Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [TALOS] [SR] Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	I personally do like a thousand things at once on my computer, and could always benefit from more RAM. I have 3gb, and I could see having 6+. I'm always running iTunes, mIRC, Firefox/Chrome with dozens of tabs, Hammer, Photoshop, and I've recently been downloading DVD5's off of Pirate Bay (700gb worth on my HDD right now) and burning them, meanwhile I'm uploading the ones I just burned to my personal FTP. I also do video editing and modelling on the side from time to time. Usually I have all that going on at the same time, so if he's someone like me he could definitely benefit from more RAM. __________________ The Catacombs Steam Last.fm

12-29-2009, 07:33 AM	#5
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01-12-2010, 12:22 PM	#6
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	So I am going for this moby: http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=36993 What is Patriot RAM like? http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=29822 __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012

12-29-2009, 01:47 AM	#3
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Why do you need four gigabytes of memory? It gets in to diminishing returns at that point. Unless you're planning on editing videos or animating for hours on end, I don't see why that much memory is needed. Future proof? Windows 7? Nothing has managed to overrun my standard two-gig setup. I would cut it down to 2 gigs and spend that extra money on the motherboard. It is, after all, the main component.

01-12-2010, 01:58 PM	#7
SomeOldGuy older than dirt Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Paft, you could/should go to ASUS web site and get the "Qualified Vendors List (QVL)" for compatible RAM for that motherboard. You can find it in the downloads section of support for your specific motherboard (P5KL-AM SE) . FWIW, in a quick look at the pdf, Patriot wasn't listed (unless it's also known as "PSC"). Doesn't mean it won't work, just that it's not on the "approved" list of RAM for this mobo. A strange thing is that there are no 2GB RAM modules listed... ?

01-12-2010, 02:52 PM	#8
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Yeah, I looked before here. I am pretty damn tired atm, can't quite make sense of it. The annoying thing with these lists is that they're short and outdated. Is Patriot not on the list because it does not work well or have they just not tested? And why isn't 4GB listed? I want 4! 2GB Kingston is listed, but I don't think that is referring to 1 stick. It seems to be referring to a 2x 1GB kit. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 01-12-2010 at 03:01 PM.

01-12-2010, 05:13 PM	#9
SomeOldGuy older than dirt Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Looks like it's the same as on the ASUS site. Dunno about Patriot... likely they haven't tested it, but I really cannot say. You could (if you wanted) to contact ASUS support and ask them. As for the 2GBx2 DIMM's... according to the manual, you can go with 512mb,1gb,2gb,4gb unbuffered ECC/non-ECC DDR2 DIMMs. If you go dual-channel, then it must be inserted in the "yellow slots". Beyond that, Patriots "should" work, but unless you ask ASUS support or google or go to their forums and ask I'm not sure any of us could answer reliably.

01-12-2010, 08:32 PM	#10
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	I just uploaded that PDF for convenience as it needed some Asus download manager at the time.. Also you're probably looking at the wrong motherboard because the moby listed on Aria only has 2 DIMM slots. I couldn't even see it on the site. I got it from download section or something (can't remember. TIRED!), like you said. There is a "P5KPL-AM" and a "P5KPL SE" but no "Asus P5KPL-AM SE"... Yeah, thanks I think I'll get in touch with them. Edit: Was just about to look around on the forums (if they have any) and : "Sorry! We are undergoing web site maintenance and will be online very soon!" Haha.. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 01-12-2010 at 08:37 PM.

01-12-2010, 09:15 PM	#11
SomeOldGuy older than dirt Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	did you try here? http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us That's the asus web site where I dowloaded the manual specific to the PK5L-AM SE. Select Product = Motherboard Series = Socket775 Scroll down the Models to the PK5L-AM SE. It will give you downloads for several things, including the users manual (which contains the info on the memory as well as board layout) and yes, it only contains 2 dimm slots. Last edited by SomeOldGuy; 01-12-2010 at 09:31 PM.

01-12-2010, 09:18 PM	#12
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Yes, I got it form there. Thanks for the responses. I'll look around on the forums and contact them. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 01-12-2010 at 09:19 PM.

01-13-2010, 08:09 PM	#13
Lt Llama Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	At last no more Paft (Poo PC) __________________

01-14-2010, 08:11 AM	#14
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Just so you know, I am probably going to go for this RAM. Has "1x Winner of Customer Choice Award - Desktop Memory" on Newegg. edit: and because according to G.skill's site they're compatible with the board. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 01-14-2010 at 08:20 AM.

01-14-2010, 09:19 AM	#15
SomeOldGuy older than dirt Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Sounds great, Paft. Good luck with the build!

01-25-2010, 06:17 PM	#16
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Can you belive this shit? So got the stuff, and TFC/FF/Q3 play just the same. In x64 win 7, running on a 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache. I know the graphics card is a bit dated, but...flip! Like before, it feels just fine for regular stuff, but still, games do not feel right! The only plus is the last 1080p vid I played on the old rig would occasionally go out of sync. It doesn't seem to on this. Not sure whether to get my money back and just slap some Value 1GB 667 ram in my board (cause that's all they sell for that spec now) and be done with it. Or keep the gear... What a joke. What do you think? EDIT: Sent back. Going to just make do with this machine and build a new one somewhere down the line. Adding 2gb of ocz 677 though. Need it. __________________ TFC Resource TFC/FF/TF2 customs at: ZZUBYTTIHS - www.tfcgaschamber.com - www.ozfortress.com - www.fpsbanana.com - mrclan.com - TFC Essentials Jan 2012 Last edited by Paft; 01-26-2010 at 08:31 PM.

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