Awful TF2 Update >:(

Bnet505 · 05-01-2008, 10:47 PM

I'm getting a new PC this Saturday and was deciding whether to play TFC, TF2, or FF more. I was going to play more TF2 due to this new SUPER AWESOME UPDATE announced a while back. Unfortunately Valve dropped the ball, and basically shitted on ALL of it's fans.

Yeah, TF2 has the grind of a MMO right now.

36 bullshit achievements (Uber Punching Heavies/scouts/other medics?) that range from insane to repetitive. For each of three imba weapons you have to unlock 12 of these bastards. Basically every weapon replacement is better than the other. This is ridiculous considering that this goes contrary to EVERYTHING I've read about TF2's design philosophy and Team Fortress games in general.

Plus there is a shitload of bugs, the whole deleted achievement fiasco, and 1000 people playing medics to try to farm achievements. Jesus...

The threads on the forums are comical. Obsessed Valve Fanboys who can't admit the giant fuck-up try to make "Counter-Threads" praising the "Awesome" update.

So Valve, until you fix this shit, I'm not playing. Expect me playing FF a ton when I get my new PC.

Discuss (Basically I guess this is a "TF2 update" thread, despite being riddled with my $0.02)

Dr.Satan · 05-01-2008, 10:58 PM

welcome to the dark side my son

bokko · 05-01-2008, 11:00 PM

Don't let engineerman see this topic!

Skanky Butterpuss · 05-01-2008, 11:00 PM

or sobe green either

Etzell · 05-01-2008, 11:02 PM

I've said it before, I'll say it again, having unlockable weapons is incredibly n00b-hostile, which I thought Valve was trying to get away from with TF2... Apparently not.

Innoc · 05-01-2008, 11:19 PM

In other news...I finally populated my new XP build and downloaded FF 2.0... If you see me look away...after a departure of many years I expect to be an epic magnitude of suck.

EngeeMan · 05-02-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bokko

Don't let engineerman see this topic!

I was going to make a thread about it but all the trolls come out when I do but here's one!

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Originally Posted by Bnet505

36 bullshit achievements (Uber Punching Heavies/scouts/other medics?) that range from insane to repetitive. For each of three imba weapons you have to unlock 12 of these bastards. Basically every weapon replacement is better than the other. This is ridiculous considering that this goes contrary to EVERYTHING I've read about TF2's design philosophy and Team Fortress games in general.

Yes, this is definitely true. The Ubersaw doesn't swing slowly enough to dissuade from using it. The new syringe gun is 1,000x better than the old one. The thing is, there are ways around the achievements beyond achievement_unlock_all and just farming them. I've got them all and it wasn't hard at all.

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Originally Posted by Bnet505

Plus there is a shitload of bugs, the whole deleted achievement fiasco, and 1000 people playing medics to try to farm achievements. Jesus...

As far as bugs, I know Trauma Queen isn't working right (actually easier than the description states) but all the other ones are achievable according to their descriptions. And Gold Rush isn't bugged as far as I know.

But the slew of medics *is* a problem. Everyone knew it was coming the moment they announced all the changes were only for 1 class. People are playing absolutely horribly because people who never played medic are doing it for the first time, or ignoring teammates to chase people with bonesaws or whatever. They really should have released 3 classes like this at the same time. Its pretty rough and not much can be done about it other than have class caps or kick the idiots farming on a server while people are trying to play regularly. There are farming servers, go use them.

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Originally Posted by Bnet505

The threads on the forums are comical. Obsessed Valve Fanboys who can't admit the giant fuck-up try to make "Counter-Threads" praising the "Awesome" update.

It's definitely not awesome. The slew of medics genuinely sucks, but hopefully they are learning that "forcing" people to unlock achievements as one specific class really is pretty dumb so they will avoid it in the future.

Gold Rush is a blast though and a really great map for spies.

Also, I can't comment on the Valve forum because of this:

I posted the crash-any-tf2 console command and was permabanned. I can't seem to log out after clearing my cookies and cache so I can't even view threads there.

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Originally Posted by Bnet505

Yeah, TF2 has the grind of a MMO right now.

You don't know the short of it!

In the code there are snippets that were added with the big update. They are encrypted and contain reference to weapon drops. The code allows guns to have randomized crit chances, firing speeds, clip sizes, and damage modifiers. So essentially the plans are there to allow collectible weapons with randomized stats like Diablo. That really ought to steam your carrots!

Personally I'm a little worried if they allow servers to mess with the settings and spawn uberweapons and use them on any server, but if done well I think it could be quite interesting.

Also, I extended an invitation for Peon to come play TF2 this weekend but he never responded.

EngeeMan · 05-02-2008, 12:14 AM

Also, can a mod move this to General where it belongs?

Bnet505 · 05-02-2008, 12:33 AM

I'm glad to see people here have some sense. Just at least tell me that if FF is ported to the OB engine they don't pull off bullshit like this. I hate seeing thousands and thousands of medics trying to pull off bullshit moves with bonesaws rather than PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME. I already sent them a complaint email, but they have no shortage of that do they? Valve has made their first major fuck-up (Correct me if I'm wrong). Hopefully this isn't a trend and they'll fix this shit. I really want Left 4 Dead to be good valve

SoBe Green · 05-02-2008, 03:11 AM

Funny how I've been around here longer than Skanky and he labeled me as a TF2 fanboy/troll.

I like TF2.
I like FF.
Get. that. through. your. head.
I waited for FF since the day these very forums were open. I've checked this website nearly every damn day for a few years now.

I like the new update and it seems like the medic rush has toned down a lot. Goldrush is a fun map but near impossible to win with instant respawn.

I don't mind the new unlocks since I rarely play medic but it is pretty hard to win or avoid a stalemate when most of your team is medic. The achievements don't see that hard to "farm". I played for 30 minutes as a medic and pulled off 6 of them fairly easy. I would definitely prefer them to be available to all and just choose your loadout with your class though. Goldrush is just as fun to me as dustbowl though so the patch wasn't all too horrible.

Skanky Butterpuss · 05-02-2008, 03:19 AM

lewl

Bnet505 · 05-02-2008, 04:28 AM

I think the best alternative is a pseudo-rank where each 12 achievements ups you a rank ('Intern', 'Specialist' as ranks) visible to other players ingame, while not affecting gameplay. That way, no one would farm and there would still be a minor token for getting the achievements done, without pressure.

Also Skanky, what is your avatar of?

Skanky Butterpuss · 05-02-2008, 05:49 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z8IiJk4Imds

GeoKill-----> · 05-02-2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Innoc

In other news...I finally populated my new XP build and downloaded FF 2.0... If you see me look away...after a departure of many years I expect to be an epic magnitude of suck.

You weren't doing so bad today

tu! · 05-02-2008, 09:09 AM

tfc = god

tf2 = some turtle speed game with tf class names

**mervaka** · 05-02-2008, 10:19 AM

et brute, tu?

!nF3D4L · 05-02-2008, 11:24 AM

yea, pubs are lame now, and i just got all the easy achievements in a locked server with alike 20 people fun stuff, deff not worth the two hours i spent getting all of them

Firefox11 · 05-02-2008, 02:31 PM

I played today for first time after the update, and helped some people get achievements while playing "normaly", like the Uber before round start or Saving a teammate from fall death. Later we were only 4 people on the server and they asked to do the achievements, and we did the Uber after enemy does, play doctor and got a few bonesaw kill on other Medics.

However, Medic play was only about 20% of what I played, while Pyro was probably what I played the most (not strange that Pyro is my most played and most points class >_> It almost doubles the Soldier game time)

Oh yeah, and playing a 4v4 with three medics in each team is just plain stupid. Still don't know how the hell we hold the Gold Rush cart in the last CP of the first stage with 75% Medics.

Dr.Satan · 05-02-2008, 03:18 PM

I have moved this thread...anyone with an issue can PM me about it!

Gator- · 05-02-2008, 06:27 PM

tfc = dead
tf2 = god
ff = good, but not god

05-01-2008, 10:47 PM	#1
Bnet505 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Awful TF2 Update >:( I'm getting a new PC this Saturday and was deciding whether to play TFC, TF2, or FF more. I was going to play more TF2 due to this new SUPER AWESOME UPDATE announced a while back. Unfortunately Valve dropped the ball, and basically shitted on ALL of it's fans. Yeah, TF2 has the grind of a MMO right now. 36 bullshit achievements (Uber Punching Heavies/scouts/other medics?) that range from insane to repetitive. For each of three imba weapons you have to unlock 12 of these bastards. Basically every weapon replacement is better than the other. This is ridiculous considering that this goes contrary to EVERYTHING I've read about TF2's design philosophy and Team Fortress games in general. Plus there is a shitload of bugs, the whole deleted achievement fiasco, and 1000 people playing medics to try to farm achievements. Jesus... The threads on the forums are comical. Obsessed Valve Fanboys who can't admit the giant fuck-up try to make "Counter-Threads" praising the "Awesome" update. So Valve, until you fix this shit, I'm not playing. Expect me playing FF a ton when I get my new PC. Discuss (Basically I guess this is a "TF2 update" thread, despite being riddled with my $0.02)

05-01-2008, 10:58 PM	#2
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Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	In other news...I finally populated my new XP build and downloaded FF 2.0... If you see me look away...after a departure of many years I expect to be an epic magnitude of suck. __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

05-02-2008, 03:19 AM	#11
Skanky Butterpuss Beware the Hammer D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Sabotaging your shit. Affiliations: :}\|, mimic, /KBN/ Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	lewl __________________ Support FF: Etzell: Skanky Etzell: The Wings are fucking fantastic Etzell: They really are Etzell: But even SAYING that makes me want to vomit

05-01-2008, 11:00 PM	#3
bokko when ff will out? D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Don't let engineerman see this topic!

05-01-2008, 11:02 PM	#5
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've said it before, I'll say it again, having unlockable weapons is incredibly n00b-hostile, which I thought Valve was trying to get away from with TF2... Apparently not.

05-02-2008, 12:14 AM	#8
EngeeMan Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Also, can a mod move this to General where it belongs?

05-02-2008, 12:33 AM	#9
Bnet505 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm glad to see people here have some sense. Just at least tell me that if FF is ported to the OB engine they don't pull off bullshit like this. I hate seeing thousands and thousands of medics trying to pull off bullshit moves with bonesaws rather than PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME. I already sent them a complaint email, but they have no shortage of that do they? Valve has made their first major fuck-up (Correct me if I'm wrong). Hopefully this isn't a trend and they'll fix this shit. I really want Left 4 Dead to be good valve

05-02-2008, 03:11 AM	#10
SoBe Green SoBe Yourself Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Russellville, AR Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Funny how I've been around here longer than Skanky and he labeled me as a TF2 fanboy/troll. I like TF2. I like FF. Get. that. through. your. head. I waited for FF since the day these very forums were open. I've checked this website nearly every damn day for a few years now. I like the new update and it seems like the medic rush has toned down a lot. Goldrush is a fun map but near impossible to win with instant respawn. I don't mind the new unlocks since I rarely play medic but it is pretty hard to win or avoid a stalemate when most of your team is medic. The achievements don't see that hard to "farm". I played for 30 minutes as a medic and pulled off 6 of them fairly easy. I would definitely prefer them to be available to all and just choose your loadout with your class though. Goldrush is just as fun to me as dustbowl though so the patch wasn't all too horrible.

05-02-2008, 04:28 AM	#12
Bnet505 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think the best alternative is a pseudo-rank where each 12 achievements ups you a rank ('Intern', 'Specialist' as ranks) visible to other players ingame, while not affecting gameplay. That way, no one would farm and there would still be a minor token for getting the achievements done, without pressure. Also Skanky, what is your avatar of?

05-02-2008, 05:49 AM	#13
Skanky Butterpuss Beware the Hammer D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Sabotaging your shit. Affiliations: :}\|, mimic, /KBN/ Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z8IiJk4Imds __________________ Support FF: Etzell: Skanky Etzell: The Wings are fucking fantastic Etzell: They really are Etzell: But even SAYING that makes me want to vomit

05-02-2008, 09:09 AM	#15
tu! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	tfc = god tf2 = some turtle speed game with tf class names

05-02-2008, 10:19 AM	#16
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	et brute, tu?

05-02-2008, 11:24 AM	#17
!nF3D4L D&A Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Stoney Creek Ontario. Canada Class/Position: Offy ftw Gametype: CTF Affiliations: ]NM[- `DIB5 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yea, pubs are lame now, and i just got all the easy achievements in a locked server with alike 20 people fun stuff, deff not worth the two hours i spent getting all of them

05-02-2008, 02:31 PM	#18
Firefox11 Join Date: Dec 2007 Class/Position: O&D: Pyro, Sniper Gametype: AvD Affiliations: FF.AvD [FF AvD/ID guild] Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I played today for first time after the update, and helped some people get achievements while playing "normaly", like the Uber before round start or Saving a teammate from fall death. Later we were only 4 people on the server and they asked to do the achievements, and we did the Uber after enemy does, play doctor and got a few bonesaw kill on other Medics. However, Medic play was only about 20% of what I played, while Pyro was probably what I played the most (not strange that Pyro is my most played and most points class >_> It almost doubles the Soldier game time) Oh yeah, and playing a 4v4 with three medics in each team is just plain stupid. Still don't know how the hell we hold the Gold Rush cart in the last CP of the first stage with 75% Medics.

05-02-2008, 03:18 PM	#19
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	I have moved this thread...anyone with an issue can PM me about it! __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

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