Sharia Law Spreads in the UK? - Page 3

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 12-01-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

Wherein the criminal law of the land is, if they don't wish to prosecute and instead settle it out of the court, that's acceptable under most circumstances.

Just so I'm clear on what you're saying. Are you suggesting that criminal cases are settled out of court? Where does that occur? AFAIK that can't happen under either US, Canadian or British Law.

o_uber · 12-01-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Russian

so, how exactly does one convince that the muslim cluture's policy of intollerance and voluntary apartheid is not acceptable in the country that the muslims have moved to, without becoming intollerant oneself?

Practicing your religion or recognizing your past, culture, and ancestors isn't intolerance, per se. Being different is not intolerance. Rejecting differences is.

Circuitous · 12-01-2006, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

Just so I'm clear on what you're saying. Are you suggesting that criminal cases are settled out of court? Where does that occur? AFAIK that can't happen under either US, Canadian or British Law.

We can agree that a stabbing is a criminal case?

And we can agree the victim and his family decided to settle out of court, thus allowing this Sharia court to rule, thus spawning this article and the entire conversation up to now?

So, yes. That's what I'm saying, I guess.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 12-01-2006, 02:52 AM

You're saying that settling out of court in a criminal case is ok under US or British Law? Since when? Criminal law is not perpetrator vs victim. It's the Gov't vs perpetrator with the victim as witness or evidence (depending on the crime). If you're aware of a single case where settling out of court has happened under US or UK Criminal Law please post a link. What you're describing is not permitted at all.

Circuitous · 12-01-2006, 03:17 AM

Well, they did it. Can I just repost the link at the beginning of this thread?

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 12-01-2006, 03:49 AM

I see what you're saying now. I think that's the wrong thing to do. If Sharia wants to step in after the established criminal justice system has run it's course fine...but it should never be a replacement.

o_uber · 12-01-2006, 05:32 AM

It's not.

o_the russian · 12-01-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by uBeR

Practicing your religion or recognizing your past, culture, and ancestors isn't intolerance, per se. Being different is not intolerance. Rejecting differences is.

if you tell me that the majority of the middle eastern culture isnt exclusionary, intollerant of change, and apartheid leaning in th emost liberal of environments... I'll pay for your tickets to any middle eastern nation. (minus Israel, because Israeli arabs and muslims happened to share the highest quality of life in the arab world, their tollerance is no excuse!)

In all seriousnes, if someones ancestors were nazis and they wanted to excersise their culture, tradisions, and admonish their ancestors, they legaly could in this country, but few would dare to call to make peace with that, and they'd be barred on legal grounds from serving in any and all public institutions.

It would be ignorant to say that every middle easterner is non-conformist, apartheid-seeking, or inherently intollerant... but I dont see the necessity or justification of political correctness, in pretended that every one of them that immigrated here is not. Time to open your eyes and start watching those inner-european protests. Unless you're able to make a case for mob mentality of the entire middle east, that arguement will be beaten with every hate-mongering slogal plackard warning of death to the infidels carried by the "peaceful" protesters after mohammad appeared in a cartoon. God forbid they didnt get enough footage of the massacres in Beslan, WTO, Spanish trains, British subways... the CARTOON went too far!

o_gunslinger · 12-01-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

And to not prosecute because the parties involved don't want to press charges. At what point does criminal law step in and enforce what's on the books?

I stopped reading after this point as most people obviously don't have a clue.

Charges will still be brought against a suspect even should the victim decide that they themselves do not wish to press charges. The state will bring charges if either the crime committed is of a serious enough nature or the subject is deemed likely to reefed or to have committed similar previous crimes. However, discretion can and will be used.

This is highlighted by the recent campaign regarding domestic violence, highlighting to the public that if you abuse someone within the home, they complain and then withdraw the accusation, then action will still be taken against the offender.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 12-01-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by uBeR

It's not.

In the article quoted at the beginning it was Uber.

o_uber · 12-01-2006, 04:00 PM

Well it's not really a replacement, if the English court can't prosecute in the first place. If the charges are dropped, then there's no obligation of the official English courts. Thereafter, the Sharia court is a voluntary option for both parties.

o_uber · 12-01-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Russian

if you tell me that the majority of the middle eastern culture isnt exclusionary, intollerant of change, and apartheid leaning in th emost liberal of environments... I'll pay for your tickets to any middle eastern nation. (minus Israel, because Israeli arabs and muslims happened to share the highest quality of life in the arab world, their tollerance is no excuse!)

In all seriousnes, if someones ancestors were nazis and they wanted to excersise their culture, tradisions, and admonish their ancestors, they legaly could in this country, but few would dare to call to make peace with that, and they'd be barred on legal grounds from serving in any and all public institutions.

It would be ignorant to say that every middle easterner is non-conformist, apartheid-seeking, or inherently intollerant... but I dont see the necessity or justification of political correctness, in pretended that every one of them that immigrated here is not. Time to open your eyes and start watching those inner-european protests. Unless you're able to make a case for mob mentality of the entire middle east, that arguement will be beaten with every hate-mongering slogal plackard warning of death to the infidels carried by the "peaceful" protesters after mohammad appeared in a cartoon. God forbid they didnt get enough footage of the massacres in Beslan, WTO, Spanish trains, British subways... the CARTOON went too far!

Middle Eastern nations aren't the most liberal of environments. I don't know what you're talking about.

What's worse is you're comparing Muslims to Nazis. Come on. Let's get real. The extermination of Jews is obviously a violation of human rights, and obviously ethically and morally wrong. Recognizing, however, you have past lineage with that is different. Oh, BTW, you know that Pope guy, yeah he was Nazi child (in Hitler Youth).

Hmm, entire Middle East rioting and mobbing? Seems like another one of your fallacies. But it's really easy to think that when you ignore the calls for peace and the end of the violent protests by high-ranking Muslims across the world. And please don't common about theological, canonical, and doctrinal issues of which you have very little knowledge on.

**mervaka** · 12-01-2006, 04:17 PM

and i bet you were a scout when you were younger. its just a kiddie club. they don't make an informed decision to join based on the fact that its in support of facism?

o_uber · 12-01-2006, 04:23 PM

I wasn't actually.

"Youths in HJ camps learned to use weapons, built up their physical strength, learned war strategies, and were indoctrinated in anti-Semitism." Not exactly you're average boy scouts. That said, I wasn't trying to make Benedict out as a fascist or anti-Semite.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 12-01-2006, 04:24 PM

Santa Norris has spoken. "Ho Ho Ho POW!"

o_frenchtoast · 12-01-2006, 04:27 PM

Boy Scouts of America teach children hatred of gays/lesbians and atheists.

All these groups are all bigoted.

o_yomamashouse · 12-01-2006, 04:33 PM

Is boy scouts a christian organization? What do they accomplish by bringing a bunch of little boys out into the woods all alo.....

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 12-01-2006, 04:34 PM

I do not believe that either Merv or Uber were talking about BSA. And, FWIW, BS reaches internationally and has programs in many countries...including Iraq. But by all mean...continue with your attack that is not true.

**mervaka** · 12-01-2006, 04:44 PM

i was comparing boy scouts to the hitler youth, although after uber's response, it's probably more in line with the army cadets.

o_psycnet · 12-01-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YoMamasHouse

Is boy scouts a christian organization? What do they accomplish by bringing a bunch of little boys out into the woods all alo.....

Mormons

*shrug*

12-01-2006, 03:17 AM	#45
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Well, they did it. Can I just repost the link at the beginning of this thread? __________________ Look at all those dead links.

12-01-2006, 04:17 PM	#53
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	and i bet you were a scout when you were younger. its just a kiddie club. they don't make an informed decision to join based on the fact that its in support of facism? __________________ Support FF:

12-01-2006, 04:44 PM	#59
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	i was comparing boy scouts to the hitler youth, although after uber's response, it's probably more in line with the army cadets. __________________ Support FF:

12-01-2006, 02:52 AM	#44
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You're saying that settling out of court in a criminal case is ok under US or British Law? Since when? Criminal law is not perpetrator vs victim. It's the Gov't vs perpetrator with the victim as witness or evidence (depending on the crime). If you're aware of a single case where settling out of court has happened under US or UK Criminal Law please post a link. What you're describing is not permitted at all.

12-01-2006, 03:49 AM	#46
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I see what you're saying now. I think that's the wrong thing to do. If Sharia wants to step in after the established criminal justice system has run it's course fine...but it should never be a replacement.

12-01-2006, 05:32 AM	#47
o_uber Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's not.

12-01-2006, 04:00 PM	#51
o_uber Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well it's not really a replacement, if the English court can't prosecute in the first place. If the charges are dropped, then there's no obligation of the official English courts. Thereafter, the Sharia court is a voluntary option for both parties.

12-01-2006, 04:23 PM	#54
o_uber Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I wasn't actually. "Youths in HJ camps learned to use weapons, built up their physical strength, learned war strategies, and were indoctrinated in anti-Semitism." Not exactly you're average boy scouts. That said, I wasn't trying to make Benedict out as a fascist or anti-Semite.

12-01-2006, 04:24 PM	#55
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Santa Norris has spoken. "Ho Ho Ho POW!"

12-01-2006, 04:27 PM	#56
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Boy Scouts of America teach children hatred of gays/lesbians and atheists. All these groups are all bigoted.

12-01-2006, 04:33 PM	#57
o_yomamashouse Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Your Mamas House Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Is boy scouts a christian organization? What do they accomplish by bringing a bunch of little boys out into the woods all alo.....

12-01-2006, 04:34 PM	#58
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I do not believe that either Merv or Uber were talking about BSA. And, FWIW, BS reaches internationally and has programs in many countries...including Iraq. But by all mean...continue with your attack that is not true.

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