schtop bugfix, round 2

clover_forgot_password · 03-30-2015, 06:10 PM

Some time ago, I responded to a feature request which asked for some adjustments to ff_schtop. Players wanted the fd ladder out of water to be easier to climb and thought it was too difficult to throw the flag out the security window (it was). The revised version, named ff_schtop_k for reasons I do not recall, fixed these issues but introduced a new sound volume bug that I was not able to reproduce.

I believed that there was a problem with players not receiving the soundscape file from servers when they join, but removing the soundscape from my maps folder still did not reproduce the bug. Before I could definitively fix this, I had to take care of some business and mapping was put on the back burner.

I would like to fix this issue once and for all. I am posting a download link to the revised version. Please run a playtest of the map and see whether the bug can be reproduced. My private tests have (again) found no problems. If any sound issues occur, please report exactly what you are hearing and where you were in the map when the error occurred.

https://mega.co.nz/#!NwREFZiZ!7e12Wb...z7Qv98o9lHXOQM

KubeDawg · 03-30-2015, 06:32 PM

Awesome man! Thanks a lot. If this new version ends up working well compared to the current schtop, I'd like to see it replace the current official map and with Steam, it shouldn't be too difficult to roll out as an update by itself or as a future update with other changes to FF. Also, would you be willing to allow access to the map source files on GitHub now that FF is now open source?

clover_forgot_password · 03-30-2015, 06:34 PM

You could probably just replace the current bsp with this one and it would work fine. Nothing was altered in the lua or soundscape files. There are some new models, but they are embedded in the bsp.

KubeDawg · 03-30-2015, 08:19 PM

Ok cool. I'll create a github event for this to be added.

homie in reboks' · 03-30-2015, 08:25 PM

The smaller flag makes it easier to toss out the security window now. It may not have been necessary to change it.

**squeek.** · 03-30-2015, 10:02 PM

Can you post the vmf as well (or submit a pull request to our maps repo)?

clover_forgot_password · 03-30-2015, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeek.

Can you post the vmf as well (or submit a pull request to our maps repo)?

I'll get around to it.

Headz · 04-02-2015, 10:11 PM

Schtop is such a perfect map apart from one thing that bugs me, could you please clip the stairs if whoever releases the update, thanks.

KubeDawg · 04-02-2015, 11:18 PM

tbh I think the stairs are like that for a reason, to sort of break up play than if the stairs were a ramp instead, both for FR stairs and Security stairs. Besides, if the security stairs were turned into a ramp, it'd likely be too steep anyway from which to get any real momentum.

FDA_Approved · 04-02-2015, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

tbh I think the stairs are like that for a reason, to sort of break up play than if the stairs were a ramp instead, both for FR stairs and Security stairs. Besides, if the security stairs were turned into a ramp, it'd likely be too steep anyway from which to get any real momentum.

Pretty much this. People don't just make stairs because they didn't think to add a simple clip. In certain places it's meant to be an obstacle and break up offensive flow.

_BEAN_ · 04-08-2015, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clover_forgot_password

You could probably just replace the current bsp with this one and it would work fine. Nothing was altered in the lua or soundscape files. There are some new models, but they are embedded in the bsp.

Map is uploaded onto Snatch's Dumpster of Fun. Will be testing it later this evening, and post results.

clover_forgot_password · 04-18-2015, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Headz

Schtop is such a perfect map apart from one thing that bugs me, could you please clip the stairs if whoever releases the update, thanks.

I assume you mean the circular stairs near the security button. I tested that idea before releasing the update. It doesn't work very well in practice, and not just from a gameplay point of view. Since the clip brush has to follow a curved surface at an angle, there will naturally be uneven 'creases' in the ramp. Rampsliding (or even running really) doesn't work very well.

In addition, there are very few available brushsides left on the map (the original had 12 left I think, this has more since some objects were converted to models). Additional changes are limited to fairly basic geometric shapes.

caesium · 04-24-2015, 09:26 AM

Imo those stairs should definitely remain as stairs anyway!..

Thank you for making the ladder easier to use - look forward to that

03-30-2015, 06:10 PM	#1
clover_forgot_password Join Date: Jun 2013 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	schtop bugfix, round 2 Some time ago, I responded to a feature request which asked for some adjustments to ff_schtop. Players wanted the fd ladder out of water to be easier to climb and thought it was too difficult to throw the flag out the security window (it was). The revised version, named ff_schtop_k for reasons I do not recall, fixed these issues but introduced a new sound volume bug that I was not able to reproduce. I believed that there was a problem with players not receiving the soundscape file from servers when they join, but removing the soundscape from my maps folder still did not reproduce the bug. Before I could definitively fix this, I had to take care of some business and mapping was put on the back burner. I would like to fix this issue once and for all. I am posting a download link to the revised version. Please run a playtest of the map and see whether the bug can be reproduced. My private tests have (again) found no problems. If any sound issues occur, please report exactly what you are hearing and where you were in the map when the error occurred. https://mega.co.nz/#!NwREFZiZ!7e12Wb...z7Qv98o9lHXOQM

03-30-2015, 06:32 PM	#2
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Awesome man! Thanks a lot. If this new version ends up working well compared to the current schtop, I'd like to see it replace the current official map and with Steam, it shouldn't be too difficult to roll out as an update by itself or as a future update with other changes to FF. Also, would you be willing to allow access to the map source files on GitHub now that FF is now open source? __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

03-30-2015, 08:19 PM	#4
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Ok cool. I'll create a github event for this to be added. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

03-30-2015, 08:25 PM	#5
homie in reboks' Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA Class/Position: Soldier & Medic Affiliations: ( ir :: ) iv\| K^ † Posts Rated Helpful 80 Times	The smaller flag makes it easier to toss out the security window now. It may not have been necessary to change it. __________________

03-30-2015, 10:02 PM	#6
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	Can you post the vmf as well (or submit a pull request to our maps repo)? __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

03-30-2015, 06:34 PM	#3
clover_forgot_password Join Date: Jun 2013 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You could probably just replace the current bsp with this one and it would work fine. Nothing was altered in the lua or soundscape files. There are some new models, but they are embedded in the bsp.

04-02-2015, 10:11 PM	#8
Headz Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: England Posts Rated Helpful 81 Times	Schtop is such a perfect map apart from one thing that bugs me, could you please clip the stairs if whoever releases the update, thanks. __________________ Compile error: Leaf portal saw into Cluster Phuck

04-02-2015, 11:18 PM	#9
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	tbh I think the stairs are like that for a reason, to sort of break up play than if the stairs were a ramp instead, both for FR stairs and Security stairs. Besides, if the security stairs were turned into a ramp, it'd likely be too steep anyway from which to get any real momentum. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

04-24-2015, 09:26 AM	#13
caesium Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: europe Class/Position: anything Gametype: everything Affiliations: #teamfail Posts Rated Helpful 27 Times	Imo those stairs should definitely remain as stairs anyway!.. Thank you for making the ladder easier to use - look forward to that __________________ Support FF:

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