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**squeek.** · 06-20-2008, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

I swear to God they've got a mole in the beta...

Seriously... this is unreal.

greenday5494 · 06-20-2008, 02:34 AM

you cant jump with the compressed air, but you can shoot pipes, rockets, stuff like that, away, and it converts it to the other side.

!nF3D4L · 06-20-2008, 02:46 AM

well, i decied to pub it up on a 32 man server only to find both teams with 16 pyros, which means u can't even really get any of the achievements. them pubs shure is smart

Rutabeggar · 06-20-2008, 03:22 AM

After playing it, the new updates to pyro don't really add much...the Flare Gun doesn't do splash damage, in fact it does very little damage. The Compressed Air Shot doesn't allow you to jump...but too be honest, I can see that being added, otherwise it's a pretty nice way to push away enemies and all that. The Axe is a waste besides looking cool...it does less damage to people not on fire, but crits people on fire...they're trying to make combo kills more of an option.

greenday5494 · 06-20-2008, 03:28 AM

you bitch about it possibly to be able to jump. then you bitch about it NOT being able to jump.

Skanky Butterpuss · 06-20-2008, 04:06 AM

i didnt see him bitching about it either way...

Peon · 06-20-2008, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rutabeggar

The Compressed Air Shot doesn't allow you to jump...but too be honest, I can see that being added, otherwise it's a pretty nice way to push away enemies and all that.

I have had no hand in at all in contributing towards anything FF, except verbosity, so I would not have been upset at all if Valve had decided to incorporate "self-push" into this new TF2 Pyro feature. Hell, I would have just laughed my ass off and thought: "The FF guys are better at Fortress than the guys who invented it, 'cause they're copying them. The FF team must feel pretty good right now." That kind of thing would be good to put into your resume y'know.

That being said, I'm really tempted to go overboard and say rip off the whole "push-other" effect from TF2... Have the Flamethrower push EVERYTHING...except bullets. Rather, I'd have to say that adding this effect would unfairly screw the Soldier and Demo, and there's plenty else to tweak on the Pyro if they feel he is weak. If you're looking for a suggestion on how to balance the Pyro, all I can add is to increase the IC's rate of fire...that's about all I would consider changing.

**squeek.** · 06-20-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Peon

That being said, I'm really tempted to go overboard and say rip off the whole "push-other" effect from TF2... Have the Flamethrower push EVERYTHING...except bullets. Rather, I'd have to say that adding this effect would unfairly screw the Soldier and Demo, and there's plenty else to tweak on the Pyro if they feel he is weak. If you're looking for a suggestion on how to balance the Pyro, all I can add is to increase the IC's rate of fire...that's about all I would consider changing.

The thing is... this idea has been sitting in the beta forums for a couple weeks (but for the HW, not the pyro).

פֿяαιп βαмαgεפ · 06-20-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

The thing is... this idea has been sitting in the beta forums for a couple weeks (but for the HW, not the pyro).

Push would be nice for the HW, it would make him less nerfed IMHO.

Phatman · 06-20-2008, 02:12 PM

Of course, there was an air gun to push stuff away in Unreal Tournament, a game that's been out how long?

Rutabeggar · 06-20-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

you bitch about it possibly to be able to jump. then you bitch about it NOT being able to jump.

Didn't really bitch...but thanks for really contributing to the thread, you're an asset to this discussion and the community in general.

reaper18 · 06-20-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rutabeggar

Didn't really bitch...but thanks for really contributing to the thread, you're an asset to this discussion and the community in general.

And this is where the flaming and hostility starts.
Stop.

I think TF2 is eventually gonna take a feature from ff, and then theres gonna be the whole "Who had what first" debate, and you know the tf2 fanboys are gonna stick with tf2, causing more and more shit.
Next thing you know, the new scout updates are gonna have mancannons, the new spy will have a gun that causes enemies to have fatigue, and the medic will take on an offensive role.

Gator- · 06-20-2008, 05:17 PM

doubtful, really doubtful

tf2 if original, they don't need to copy shit

BlisTer · 06-20-2008, 05:44 PM

i doubt that one of the Valve guys has even played anything beyond FF1.0

Rutabeggar · 06-20-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by reaper18

And this is where the flaming and hostility starts.
Stop.

I think TF2 is eventually gonna take a feature from ff, and then theres gonna be the whole "Who had what first" debate, and you know the tf2 fanboys are gonna stick with tf2, causing more and more shit.
Next thing you know, the new scout updates are gonna have mancannons, the new spy will have a gun that causes enemies to have fatigue, and the medic will take on an offensive role.

There aren't many things in FF that the TF2 developers can take anyway...the gameplay styles simply don't match. The spy tranq came from TFC...so it's Valve's to add/take all they want. Medic couldn't have an offensive role, the medic update is already out and it didn't really add anything to the medic to make them any more viable as an offensive presence. Don't be paranoid...TFC belonged to valve, and a lot of what FF has and TF2 has is derived from TFC. TF2 is the official "sequel" to the Team Fortress franchise, therefore anything they want to add from previous games is their right.

greenday5494 · 06-20-2008, 06:26 PM

oi. i hate this. i dont want to turn this into a TF2 VS FF debate. Mods, please watch this thread, if it gets out of hand, please lock.

reaper18 · 06-20-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rutabeggar

There aren't many things in FF that the TF2 developers can take anyway...the gameplay styles simply don't match. The spy tranq came from TFC...so it's Valve's to add/take all they want. Medic couldn't have an offensive role, the medic update is already out and it didn't really add anything to the medic to make them any more viable as an offensive presence. Don't be paranoid...TFC belonged to valve, and a lot of what FF has and TF2 has is derived from TFC. TF2 is the official "sequel" to the Team Fortress franchise, therefore anything they want to add from previous games is their right.

True.
But it seems likely. Not saying im paranoid, just watching.

**squeek.** · 06-20-2008, 10:34 PM

I really hope anyone who says TF2 is copying from FF is joking... I know I am.

They did copy our release date, though.

Peon · 06-20-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by reaper18

I think TF2 is eventually gonna take a feature from ff...

I know the FF Spy's cloak, and the TF2 Spy's invisibility aren't exactly the same, but they're awful similar in concept. Regardless of who came up with it first, I find the cloak way more fun, versatile, and interesting...plus SGs can see you cloaked.

greenday5494 · 06-20-2008, 11:28 PM

FF cloak is useless, everyone knows that

06-20-2008, 02:34 AM	#22
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06-20-2008, 03:28 AM	#25
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	you bitch about it possibly to be able to jump. then you bitch about it NOT being able to jump. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

06-20-2008, 04:06 AM	#26
Skanky Butterpuss Beware the Hammer D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Sabotaging your shit. Affiliations: :}\|, mimic, /KBN/ Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i didnt see him bitching about it either way... __________________ Support FF: Etzell: Skanky Etzell: The Wings are fucking fantastic Etzell: They really are Etzell: But even SAYING that makes me want to vomit

06-20-2008, 05:17 PM	#33
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06-20-2008, 05:44 PM	#34
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06-20-2008, 03:22 AM	#24
Rutabeggar D&A Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	After playing it, the new updates to pyro don't really add much...the Flare Gun doesn't do splash damage, in fact it does very little damage. The Compressed Air Shot doesn't allow you to jump...but too be honest, I can see that being added, otherwise it's a pretty nice way to push away enemies and all that. The Axe is a waste besides looking cool...it does less damage to people not on fire, but crits people on fire...they're trying to make combo kills more of an option.

06-20-2008, 02:12 PM	#30
Phatman n00bsauce Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Class/Position: Soldier/Pyro/ThatOneJerk Gametype: Anything that involves killing Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Of course, there was an air gun to push stuff away in Unreal Tournament, a game that's been out how long?

06-20-2008, 06:26 PM	#36
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	oi. i hate this. i dont want to turn this into a TF2 VS FF debate. Mods, please watch this thread, if it gets out of hand, please lock. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

06-20-2008, 10:34 PM	#38
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06-20-2008, 11:28 PM	#40
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	FF cloak is useless, everyone knows that __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

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