5v5, a bad format for FF league.

Green Mushy · 05-02-2008, 03:29 AM

On thursday, sta match day, we didnt have enough for 7 people. The opposing clan, nice as they are, let us play 6v6. I have to say, it was much more fun then any 5v5 i have ever done. 5v5 is boring, the D is bored, the D knows where you are constantly, and it doesnt have the right fast paced fortress feel. 6v6 on the other hand, was a blast. We played on openfire and it was madness. Both teams were capping a lot and it was intense trying to keep up with one another. Chaos, spam, pressure, and crazy stuff was going on. 6v6 is awesome. I propose that we throw away the stupid 5v5 format and upgrade it to 6v6.

If finding players is still a problem for that. I propose and OvD switch league. The game of FF is so much more fun when played in chaos, not slow and boring.

Skillet · 05-02-2008, 03:46 AM

Did we win?

Stiffy · 05-02-2008, 03:50 AM

I 100% completely agree with you on this Mushy! I think changing it to 6v6 would be an amazing idea. I also don't think it would be that hard for clans to come up with one more player for matches since most of the time(not ALL) most clans have to swap out players between rounds because they have 6 or 7 guys there and only 5 can play. Now there have been situations where we have had just enough to play(5), but I don't think thats happened in a while(or since we formed [e.]). Also 6v6 would be much more crazy and fast paced as Mushy said, which in the end (to me and alot others I'm sure) would be much much more fun and exciting. If there ever were to come a match where one clan say couldn't field a full 6 then maybe if both clans agreed they could just do OvD(as Mushy said) and a "pickup" style match where one round your D and the other your O? Thats just an idea so who knows? I don't know about all of you, but I sure as hell would LOVE to play 6v6 rather than 5v5. If UGC wouldn't wanna switch to 6v6 maybe if both clans agreed they could do 6v6 unless it's against the rules? Again just another idea who knows! I like this thought though let's hear some other's opinions on it

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teh_rape · 05-02-2008, 04:03 AM

I have never played anything other than 5v (unfortunately) and I must say... 5v can be pretty boring on some maps. However on others it's the perfect fit (e.g. congestus... imagine another o against your already struggling d)

I guess it depends what style of play you like. If you like cap fests instead of a close game than 6v would be better.. but generally when there are an equal amount of O and D.. o SHOULD dominate.

Gator- · 05-02-2008, 04:48 AM

UGC's league format should not be changed DURING a season. That's all i gotta say. 5v5 pwns.

Ihmhi · 05-02-2008, 06:27 AM

I gotta go with SirTiger on this one. Maybe for next season, yeah.

Dr.Satan · 05-02-2008, 02:33 PM

Yeah I mean UGC is definitely willing to adapt to what the clans want, but mid-season just can't be the time for that. If at all it would have to come after the first season ends.

Klute · 05-02-2008, 02:49 PM

7v7 ftw

bowser · 05-02-2008, 08:51 PM

i'd prefer 7v7 or 8v8

mariozilla · 05-04-2008, 01:06 AM

Well it could be decided what maps should be 5v5 and which 6v6. Like TFC I remember they changed from 9v9 to 8v8 on some maps. that could easily be done for UGC. AFTER Season 1 of course. Pickups and exhibition could be used for testing too.

teh_rape · 05-04-2008, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariozilla

Well it could be decided what maps should be 5v5 and which 6v6. Like TFC I remember they changed from 9v9 to 8v8 on some maps. that could easily be done for UGC. AFTER Season 1 of course. Pickups and exhibition could be used for testing too.

That is a good idea.

**Elmo** · 05-04-2008, 12:12 PM

Well how about for this season, if BOTH clans want to agree on 6v6 for the match, you play 6v6 else 5v5 are official rules. Also, as you said some maps warrant 6v6 some need 5v5. Game would still be fair. I dont really see the problem taking things into your own hands so long as both paticipating clans are in agreement of rules. Own initiative?

Not played any 5v5 stuff so cant comment really but I think I'd agree on 6v6. Just playing clan style pubs I find that a more hectic defense is more fun - so long as your not being run circles round of course.

Gator- · 05-04-2008, 09:38 PM

thing is, we will never agree to 6v6 since we dont have the playerbase

that's just us though

Credge · 05-04-2008, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirTiger

thing is, we will never agree to 6v6 since we dont have the playerbase

QFT. Playerbase is required before larger leagues will exist.

05-05-2008, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Credge

QFT. Playerbase is required before larger leagues will exist.

This unfortunately is the truth. With STA I tried to give UGC a long while as the sole FF League so FF could build that base, it still appears to be to small for large team gaming.

But overall my opinion is the same as the first poster, 5vs5 is a poor format for FF, just as it is for TFC. I have never been a fan of 5vs5, because the teamwork and game play in small squads is a poor reflection of the complexity of each games. Yet the fact is that clans support 5vs5 in both FF and TFC because it is easier to gather a smaller number of players. It's not what I'd like to see, but it is what we have.

Dr.Satan · 05-05-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fornaught

This unfortunately is the truth. With STA I tried to give UGC a long while as the sole FF League so FF could build that base, it still appears to be to small for large team gaming.

But overall my opinion is the same as the first poster, 5vs5 is a poor format for FF, just as it is for TFC. I have never been a fan of 5vs5, because the teamwork and game play in small squads is a poor reflection of the complexity of each games. Yet the fact is that clans support 5vs5 in both FF and TFC because it is easier to gather a smaller number of players. It's not what I'd like to see, but it is what we have.

took the words right out of my mouth Fornaught!

dys · 05-06-2008, 02:25 PM

I miss 9-9 so bad.

Dr.Satan · 05-06-2008, 03:31 PM

Now that's a fucking league. I wish there were more clans willing to support the mod already cause I would jump on a 9v anyday!

dys · 05-06-2008, 04:46 PM

I'm fairly certain |D| would do the same.

illogicality- · 05-07-2008, 07:10 PM

I agree - 6v6 is a MUCH better format than 5v ever was. It's always a more fun game when you have the same amount of OvD. The Euros had it right going 8v8 - then I move back to the USA and see this 9v9 shit? I was thoroughly confused, lol.

I know, for a fact, that clans like TDA would have stayed and played had the format been 6v6. I do agree with TR about how some maps are better fit for 5v, but even if there was equal OvD each team should cap at the same rate. PLUS, having 3 o v 3 d would almost require defensive players to get better to keep up with the 3o.

I think that, overall, a 6v format could really help the game.

05-02-2008, 03:29 AM	#1
Green Mushy Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	5v5, a bad format for FF league. On thursday, sta match day, we didnt have enough for 7 people. The opposing clan, nice as they are, let us play 6v6. I have to say, it was much more fun then any 5v5 i have ever done. 5v5 is boring, the D is bored, the D knows where you are constantly, and it doesnt have the right fast paced fortress feel. 6v6 on the other hand, was a blast. We played on openfire and it was madness. Both teams were capping a lot and it was intense trying to keep up with one another. Chaos, spam, pressure, and crazy stuff was going on. 6v6 is awesome. I propose that we throw away the stupid 5v5 format and upgrade it to 6v6. If finding players is still a problem for that. I propose and OvD switch league. The game of FF is so much more fun when played in chaos, not slow and boring.

05-02-2008, 04:48 AM	#5
Gator- FF God Join Date: May 2007 Location: TX Class/Position: Scout O, Medic O, Demo D/O, Soldier D Gametype: CTF 4v4 Affiliations: [milkwood] ( GoodFellas ) Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	UGC's league format should not be changed DURING a season. That's all i gotta say. 5v5 pwns. __________________ FF_ROASTED_CLASSIC [RELEASED] FF_EVENFLOW_B2 [RELEASED] FF_OPPOSE_B1 [COMING SOON]

05-02-2008, 06:27 AM	#6
Ihmhi [AE] 0112 Ihmhi SJB Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, NJ, United States Class/Position: A little bit o' everythin' Gametype: Also a little bit o' everythin' Affiliations: [AE] Asseater, SJB Straight Jacket Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I gotta go with SirTiger on this one. Maybe for next season, yeah. __________________ Support FF: Anime: The Thread: Reloaded The one and only anime thread on these here forums. Select the pistol, and then, select your horse.

05-02-2008, 02:33 PM	#7
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	Yeah I mean UGC is definitely willing to adapt to what the clans want, but mid-season just can't be the time for that. If at all it would have to come after the first season ends. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

05-04-2008, 09:38 PM	#13
Gator- FF God Join Date: May 2007 Location: TX Class/Position: Scout O, Medic O, Demo D/O, Soldier D Gametype: CTF 4v4 Affiliations: [milkwood] ( GoodFellas ) Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	thing is, we will never agree to 6v6 since we dont have the playerbase that's just us though __________________ FF_ROASTED_CLASSIC [RELEASED] FF_EVENFLOW_B2 [RELEASED] FF_OPPOSE_B1 [COMING SOON]

05-02-2008, 03:46 AM	#2
Skillet Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Did we win?

05-02-2008, 03:50 AM	#3
Stiffy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: That sunshine 1 Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	I 100% completely agree with you on this Mushy! I think changing it to 6v6 would be an amazing idea. I also don't think it would be that hard for clans to come up with one more player for matches since most of the time(not ALL) most clans have to swap out players between rounds because they have 6 or 7 guys there and only 5 can play. Now there have been situations where we have had just enough to play(5), but I don't think thats happened in a while(or since we formed [e.]). Also 6v6 would be much more crazy and fast paced as Mushy said, which in the end (to me and alot others I'm sure) would be much much more fun and exciting. If there ever were to come a match where one clan say couldn't field a full 6 then maybe if both clans agreed they could just do OvD(as Mushy said) and a "pickup" style match where one round your D and the other your O? Thats just an idea so who knows? I don't know about all of you, but I sure as hell would LOVE to play 6v6 rather than 5v5. If UGC wouldn't wanna switch to 6v6 maybe if both clans agreed they could do 6v6 unless it's against the rules? Again just another idea who knows! I like this thought though let's hear some other's opinions on it ?

05-02-2008, 04:03 AM	#4
teh_rape Supa-leet-cap-a-cop Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I have never played anything other than 5v (unfortunately) and I must say... 5v can be pretty boring on some maps. However on others it's the perfect fit (e.g. congestus... imagine another o against your already struggling d) I guess it depends what style of play you like. If you like cap fests instead of a close game than 6v would be better.. but generally when there are an equal amount of O and D.. o SHOULD dominate.

05-02-2008, 02:49 PM	#8
Klute Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	7v7 ftw

05-02-2008, 08:51 PM	#9
bowser Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i'd prefer 7v7 or 8v8

05-04-2008, 01:06 AM	#10
mariozilla Join Date: Jul 2007 Class/Position: All Gametype: adl Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well it could be decided what maps should be 5v5 and which 6v6. Like TFC I remember they changed from 9v9 to 8v8 on some maps. that could easily be done for UGC. AFTER Season 1 of course. Pickups and exhibition could be used for testing too.

05-04-2008, 12:12 PM	#12
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	Well how about for this season, if BOTH clans want to agree on 6v6 for the match, you play 6v6 else 5v5 are official rules. Also, as you said some maps warrant 6v6 some need 5v5. Game would still be fair. I dont really see the problem taking things into your own hands so long as both paticipating clans are in agreement of rules. Own initiative? Not played any 5v5 stuff so cant comment really but I think I'd agree on 6v6. Just playing clan style pubs I find that a more hectic defense is more fun - so long as your not being run circles round of course.

05-06-2008, 02:25 PM	#17
dys I am the nip to your bud. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I miss 9-9 so bad.

05-06-2008, 03:31 PM	#18
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	Now that's a fucking league. I wish there were more clans willing to support the mod already cause I would jump on a 9v anyday! __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

05-06-2008, 04:46 PM	#19
dys I am the nip to your bud. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm fairly certain \|D\| would do the same.

05-07-2008, 07:10 PM	#20
illogicality- pwning CTF since 1999 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Class/Position: Yes Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [ gr. ], UGC-FF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I agree - 6v6 is a MUCH better format than 5v ever was. It's always a more fun game when you have the same amount of OvD. The Euros had it right going 8v8 - then I move back to the USA and see this 9v9 shit? I was thoroughly confused, lol. I know, for a fact, that clans like TDA would have stayed and played had the format been 6v6. I do agree with TR about how some maps are better fit for 5v, but even if there was equal OvD each team should cap at the same rate. PLUS, having 3 o v 3 d would almost require defensive players to get better to keep up with the 3o. I think that, overall, a 6v format could really help the game. __________________ [ gr. illogicality- ] #ff.gr #ugc-ff

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