Identifying spies is too difficult - Page 4

SuicideChicken · 09-23-2007, 10:32 PM

1. the voice icon is there, i ahve seen it many a time.

2. spy claok is easy to get around. if your running dx7 the claok does jack shit.

**mervaka** · 09-24-2007, 02:51 AM

is it? well we'll see about that.

cloak is not supposed to be turned off at the user's discretion

richard nixon · 09-24-2007, 04:27 AM

I haven't seen the voice icon? I see the teammate icon thing but that is separate, is that what you are speaking of?

Nuk3m · 09-24-2007, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by richard nixon

I haven't seen the voice icon? I see the teammate icon thing but that is separate, is that what you are speaking of?

when in game i cannot see the side hud icon that appears in CS when someone talks. as far as in game overhead voice icon, i havent noticed it not working ill have to look into that.

SuicideChicken · 09-24-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mervaka

cloak is not supposed to be turned off at the user's discretion

i know. countless people have claimed that they crash in dx9 so they run dx 7, and that they love it because it makes spy cloak useless.

09-24-2007, 12:44 PM

The most obvious give-away that the "OMFG HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS A SPY???" guys exhibit is that they run headlong into your flag room. It's pretty obvious when there is one Red engineer in amongst a load of Blue medics/soldiers/whatnot running in the front door of your base.

SuicideChicken · 09-24-2007, 02:23 PM

when i play spy i do9nt play as if i'm a spy, meaning i do everything i would do if i was on the enemy team except shoot and walk through security barriers that kill my team. i even chuck nades at my own team and pray the enemy thinks my teammate dropped it.

Defrag · 09-24-2007, 03:06 PM

DX7 does not turn off the cloak. Quite the opposite, in fact: It makes the cloak harder to see. There's a difference between using a command and using DX7 -- we'll be locking down any/all commands that interfere with the spy's cloak effect in the next patch.

Meathook · 09-24-2007, 10:09 PM

on the DX issue: when I started playing hidden:source I had to jump thorugh a few hoops to get the overlay working right. While it was borked I could totally see him. So if it's a like effect there might be the same issue.

on the spy check issue: I've quit playing spy now, I walk into a room and get blasted from all sides by checks. Spys are useless with players that check. I've played plenty of TF games and know how to act, but people just shoot first and dont care to ask questions.

Fin.

lollerskates · 09-24-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Meathook

on the spy check issue: I've quit playing spy now, I walk into a room and get blasted from all sides by checks. Spys are useless with players that check. I've played plenty of TF games and know how to act, but people just shoot first and dont care to ask questions.

That's where old school stealth comes into play. You need to use cloaking and correct timing to get past people. Sometimes, though, the base is locked down so tight that you just can't get anything done, or the map doesn't favor spies (aardvark is really terrible for spies).

Iggy · 09-25-2007, 02:48 AM

You ARE joking, right?

Edit: Referencing aardvark being terrible for spies.

Hand_O_Death · 09-25-2007, 04:14 AM

If I am having a big Spy raping against my team, I just go Pyro for a while and light up everyone. The team usually realizes this and waits for one to catch fire and then unloads on them. works out pretty well. A good spy then realizes to change patterns so they are not detected like this and cause enough alarm for such drastic measures to happen. They need to hang tight and know when to strike.

jdubbya · 09-25-2007, 04:46 AM

I love the new spy. It is actually an effective team member now. When people are walking around spy checking all their teammates, they arent guarding their base as well. I like to disguise as an enemy sniper and walk around all the sniper spots playing the role. Once you make it there you are golden. Enemy medic is entertaining too, especially when the opposing team has an aids epidemic going on.

09-25-2007, 07:02 AM

Scouts are called scouts for a reason. There are a lot of ways to detect a spy, but this is one that a team should definitely use. Scouts move so fast they can easily keep a base free of spies. If you don't think it is worth having a scout do this then why even complain about spies? Cause they're apparently not dangerous enough to set aside one person to have this spy detection duty.

lollerskates · 09-25-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

You ARE joking, right?

Edit: Referencing aardvark being terrible for spies.

No. Why would I be?

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Originally Posted by jdubbya

I love the new spy. It is actually an effective team member now.

Spies have always been effective.

[LoG]eomp · 09-25-2007, 11:19 AM

A spy actually made me jump yesterday on aardvark when he stabbed me in the back

Sneaky buggers!

ekiM · 09-25-2007, 11:24 AM

Spies hardly need nerfing.

Desyphur · 09-25-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lollerskates

No. Why would I be?

Aardvark is one of my favorite spy maps...

lollerskates · 09-25-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Desyphur

Aardvark is one of my favorite spy maps...

I don't like it.

Hammock · 09-25-2007, 03:59 PM

People keep saying the scout is an effective tool for revealing spys. Unfortunately I have yet to see a person dedicated as scout on D. The only reason a scout would be on D is for this exact reason meaning you've dedicated an entire play towards just revealing 1 guy. And he'd have to be running around his entire base to cover all the ground. If scouts are designed to reveal spys then their +attack2 should uncloak/undisguise them. 95% of the time the scouts are on O anyways.

I hate the spy because I feel he's too powerfull. But I love him for the same reason. When I join a game I start off as scout, if I can't cap, I switch to med, if I can't cap, my final resort is the spy. When I switch to him, I notice immediately I'm producing better results. So I'd have to say his "power" is needed and perfect exactly where it is. Lots of spys would be detrimental to a team, but 1 or 2 create enough havok to push that flag, which is good because many times a med/scout can't do it on their own.

Going with the original topic to this thread, I do find it hard to spot the spy immediately after he cloaks. And I noticed people have the same problem with me.

I had an engy on my tail, not more than 5 feet behind me (otw to the flag on aardvark security side). I went up the first incline and hung a sharp right. I crouched and cloaked. The engy blew right by me! and he wasn't more than 5 feet behind me, the 2nd engy and solly did the same thing. I was crouched and cloaked right infront of the 3! rofl.

My only suggestion would be to make the cloak not so instantly invisible. Give it a sec to fully kick in or something.

Cheers,
Hammock

09-24-2007, 02:51 AM	#62
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	is it? well we'll see about that. cloak is not supposed to be turned off at the user's discretion __________________ Support FF:

09-24-2007, 03:06 PM	#68
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	DX7 does not turn off the cloak. Quite the opposite, in fact: It makes the cloak harder to see. There's a difference between using a command and using DX7 -- we'll be locking down any/all commands that interfere with the spy's cloak effect in the next patch. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

09-23-2007, 10:32 PM	#61
SuicideChicken Back Stabber (Spy) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	1. the voice icon is there, i ahve seen it many a time. 2. spy claok is easy to get around. if your running dx7 the claok does jack shit.

09-24-2007, 04:27 AM	#63
richard nixon Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I haven't seen the voice icon? I see the teammate icon thing but that is separate, is that what you are speaking of?

09-24-2007, 12:44 PM	#66
Bobbus Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	The most obvious give-away that the "OMFG HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS A SPY???" guys exhibit is that they run headlong into your flag room. It's pretty obvious when there is one Red engineer in amongst a load of Blue medics/soldiers/whatnot running in the front door of your base.

09-24-2007, 02:23 PM	#67
SuicideChicken Back Stabber (Spy) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	when i play spy i do9nt play as if i'm a spy, meaning i do everything i would do if i was on the enemy team except shoot and walk through security barriers that kill my team. i even chuck nades at my own team and pray the enemy thinks my teammate dropped it.

09-24-2007, 10:09 PM	#69
Meathook Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the enemies base Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	on the DX issue: when I started playing hidden:source I had to jump thorugh a few hoops to get the overlay working right. While it was borked I could totally see him. So if it's a like effect there might be the same issue. on the spy check issue: I've quit playing spy now, I walk into a room and get blasted from all sides by checks. Spys are useless with players that check. I've played plenty of TF games and know how to act, but people just shoot first and dont care to ask questions. Fin.

09-25-2007, 04:14 AM	#72
Hand_O_Death www.suicidesoldiers.net Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If I am having a big Spy raping against my team, I just go Pyro for a while and light up everyone. The team usually realizes this and waits for one to catch fire and then unloads on them. works out pretty well. A good spy then realizes to change patterns so they are not detected like this and cause enough alarm for such drastic measures to happen. They need to hang tight and know when to strike.

09-25-2007, 04:46 AM	#73
jdubbya Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I love the new spy. It is actually an effective team member now. When people are walking around spy checking all their teammates, they arent guarding their base as well. I like to disguise as an enemy sniper and walk around all the sniper spots playing the role. Once you make it there you are golden. Enemy medic is entertaining too, especially when the opposing team has an aids epidemic going on.

09-25-2007, 07:02 AM	#74
Zer033 Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Scouts are called scouts for a reason. There are a lot of ways to detect a spy, but this is one that a team should definitely use. Scouts move so fast they can easily keep a base free of spies. If you don't think it is worth having a scout do this then why even complain about spies? Cause they're apparently not dangerous enough to set aside one person to have this spy detection duty.

09-25-2007, 11:19 AM	#76
[LoG]eomp Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	A spy actually made me jump yesterday on aardvark when he stabbed me in the back Sneaky buggers!

09-25-2007, 11:24 AM	#77
ekiM Arrogance is Bliss Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Spies hardly need nerfing.

09-25-2007, 03:59 PM	#80
Hammock D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	People keep saying the scout is an effective tool for revealing spys. Unfortunately I have yet to see a person dedicated as scout on D. The only reason a scout would be on D is for this exact reason meaning you've dedicated an entire play towards just revealing 1 guy. And he'd have to be running around his entire base to cover all the ground. If scouts are designed to reveal spys then their +attack2 should uncloak/undisguise them. 95% of the time the scouts are on O anyways. I hate the spy because I feel he's too powerfull. But I love him for the same reason. When I join a game I start off as scout, if I can't cap, I switch to med, if I can't cap, my final resort is the spy. When I switch to him, I notice immediately I'm producing better results. So I'd have to say his "power" is needed and perfect exactly where it is. Lots of spys would be detrimental to a team, but 1 or 2 create enough havok to push that flag, which is good because many times a med/scout can't do it on their own. Going with the original topic to this thread, I do find it hard to spot the spy immediately after he cloaks. And I noticed people have the same problem with me. I had an engy on my tail, not more than 5 feet behind me (otw to the flag on aardvark security side). I went up the first incline and hung a sharp right. I crouched and cloaked. The engy blew right by me! and he wasn't more than 5 feet behind me, the 2nd engy and solly did the same thing. I was crouched and cloaked right infront of the 3! rofl. My only suggestion would be to make the cloak not so instantly invisible. Give it a sec to fully kick in or something. Cheers, Hammock

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