FF Update: Objection, Your Honor! - Page 9

o_etzell · 06-11-2006, 05:28 AM

Ok, so should the pyro's flame symbol be blue, yellow, and green? By your logic, yes.

o_skanky butterpuss · 06-11-2006, 05:35 AM

no shit, the red cross is the red fucking cross. thats what keeps you alive. in world war 2, medics didnt have olive crosses to match their fatigues. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE RED CROSS.

o_kam · 06-11-2006, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kilik

maybe this major dissapointment people are crying about is actually of the mappers intention to bring more balence to the map

except that opf is already an offence bias map

o_afla edge · 06-11-2006, 07:36 AM

Haven't finished reading the 10 plus pages of comments, but did anybody notice the pyro's IC poking through his O2 tank or whatever that is. I think it was one of the CZ pictures. They need to either switch the IC around or reverse the model skin and put the tank of the left.

o_alligator · 06-11-2006, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Etzell

Ok, so should the pyro's flame symbol be blue, yellow, and green? By your logic, yes.

Sure, why not.
The medic has 2 red crosses and 1 blue cross - which doesn't make sense at all. It should be either all 3 red no matter what team the medic is in OR all 3 the same color (team color).

o_riemukupl@ · 06-11-2006, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Skanky Butterpuss

no shit, the red cross is the red fucking cross. thats what keeps you alive. in world war 2, medics didnt have olive crosses to match their fatigues. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE RED CROSS.

And just how many red crosses are there on the blue medics in tfc? The crosses are team colored and should stay that way.

P.S. The medic needs a chin.

P.P.S. Lose the folding stock and the front sight of the SSG in the first person view. It looks like a damn CS model.

P.P.P.S. Other than that, things are looking fine :P

o_imbrifer · 06-11-2006, 08:30 AM

Yeah, I'll agree with the folding stock on the SSG, looks dumb to have it in first person and not in 3rd.

The medic's face does need some work. Maybe its a bad angle..?

As for the cross, Keep it team colored. There is no Red Cross in the world of TFC, and its always been team colored. No reason to go around changing it now.

o_afx · 06-11-2006, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RiEmuKUpl@

And just how many red crosses are there on the blue medics in tfc? The crosses are team colored and should stay that way.

One big one, on his first aid kit. Its hardly like his chest and hat cross's are red, just two tiny armband cross's. Not exactly worth the fuss some people are making.

o_eat · 06-11-2006, 09:14 AM

Well front door is different to tfc in the following ways.

The doorways in the yard go to ladders to the roof. Theres a grate halfway up looking into the balcony so you can get some good interaction between snipers on pubs etc.

The balcony above this doorway is the offence exit. Hopefully this should make for a better map for all you medics out there

o_comrade tiki · 06-11-2006, 10:12 AM

I'm such a negative person...!

Railgun:
...looks like a bubble gun or a neon light! The TFC default represented it better.

Tranq:
I like.

Soldier/Canalzone2:
Awesome player model.
Textures make it feel a lot different, and I think the red logo really isn't classic at all... too much like Quake 4 or something new. I guess it also reminds me of the alienware logo, and isn't skull-like. I also suppose the light beacon makes me think of one of those things I just compared it to, does it change colour to show who owns which command point?

Well:
Err... no it isn't. I like the layout as seen, but all of those curves seem too high detail to run reasonably enough.

Spy concept(s):
Overgeared, in my opinion. So many pads. But not terrible.

Pyro: (THIS is where my interests are)
- Boots should fit tighter or at least have the side pull-straps as seen in concept. Either way they could use more definition.
- Tank needs to be more secure!
- One tank for all of that ammo AND still providing breathable air? Wow! Why to his glove? He could use a second tank and a hookup to the flamer...
- Helmet light is distracting. IT BETTER WORK if it stays!
- Belt should go OVER the side-pants... or at LEAST continue to the back. The butt looks too plain as-is.
- Face looks like Jason. I liked the concept sketch's mask cover that dropped down from the visor to the neck, ignoring the face except for breathing apparatus showing through it. Although I like the current head, I would prefer to play with the concept sketch pyro in-game. Simpler and cleaner instead of fuzzy. Also without helmet/distracting light.

Openfire:
A lot of that stuff looks unnecessary, but no further complaints. The blue logo is good, at least it resembles what it is a little bit better.

o_qui · 06-11-2006, 10:29 AM

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let me be the first to flame lightly: its the style in which most upates have been written in and the regulars have become accustomed to. I, and many others enjoy Jessie's acid-induced rants. stick around, post often and you will get it.

Yeah gj speaking for all of us, but i dont really like it either, i just dont bother reading them at all now.

And you seem to be looking at it from the perspective of, it dosnt matter what other people think, weve been here longer, therefore its ok! Well no it isnt. Dont think like that please, and also dont make the assumption that, just because someone hasnt been around for a while, that they dont get it.

Decs · 06-11-2006, 11:30 AM

Tiki, if you bothered reading the other replys and answers given in this thread regarding the pyro you will see that most of your pyro questions/feedback is allready answered.

Im not sure what concept you're refering to, but the pyro concept on our webpage isnt the one we used for this model.

o_lor · 06-11-2006, 11:33 AM

Very nice media update, I can't wait to play FF.

I've read some of this thread, but I disagree with the negative openfire posts. The way I see it, that is only one shot of a fairly unimportant part of the map. It's a place you don't want to be anyway, a death pit with an average life expectancy of just seconds! I like the uneven ground because it adds character, you could imagine a base where warfare is taking place and damage is happening. I doubt very much the features are unpassable and far from restricting concs, those little edges might make drop concs more interesting

Eat you're doing a fantastic job on Well and I've always liked your maps although I'm not sure about the steps in the uno yard! I think the water effect on Well is very good I definitely wouldn't want to swim in that and as a medic (ritcH - what can I say I like changing my name ;p) I thank you for the opposition exit - brilliant. I also hope you bring back hollow because I think it was ahead of it's time with brilliant texturing. I think one of your signatures as a mapper and possibly defrag too, is using team coloured lighting and I think you should encourage all the mappers to do the same. I'm personally undecided about the brightness issue, I would guess that the bases would be brighter than the yards, and not much happens in yards anyway although in the interests of making the game newbie friendly which is very important, perhaps they should be a bit brighter.

The models and weapons are all great so keep up the good work. The engie's gun is a very nice model especially, I like the little warning sticker!

Now stop watching the world cup and release it already!

o_riemukupl@ · 06-11-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Afx

One big one, on his first aid kit. Its hardly like his chest and hat cross's are red, just two tiny armband cross's. Not exactly worth the fuss some people are making.

Aha, but is it not on the medkit and not on the medic? Besides, I don't think anyone's making a big deal out of it. Just voicing the fact he's got crosses of different colors on him doesn't really constitute a fuss.

Circuitous · 06-11-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DocX

edit: And one other thing - althought I was completely satisfied with the content of the update, my personal thoughts on your presentation is that it's lame and not funny - hence I only read the first paragraph, then avoided it and just looked at the media. Really - it's not funny, and it doesn't offer any information to people who may be viewing this website for the first time from a referal from HL2.net or similar.

Yeah I gotta agree. Details/Technical info/Explanations > LSD.

o_kam · 06-11-2006, 02:48 PM

nah its way more entertaining/interesting than non-LSD

o_mescalito · 06-11-2006, 02:53 PM

f0cken drug addicts!

you can't get a proper game anymore without some speedhacker bustin' into your server this days

o_vampiricus · 06-11-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by decs

Tiki, if you bothered reading the other replys and answers given in this thread regarding the pyro you will see that most of your pyro questions/feedback is allready answered.

Im not sure what concept you're refering to, but the pyro concept on our webpage isnt the one we used for this model.

I couldnt find anything regarding this point:
Personally I don tthink he needs a Trench. To stay with the theme of things, if he had one, it would look a bit odd. The only thing I was wondering about, was the strap that holds the tank on his back. That thing must be on super duper tight to not fall off. because there is nothing keeping for it falling down. I guess I just figured he would be wearing the tank like a backpack, like (dare I say it) a firemans air tank. Or something simular.

seen here

I was also curious where his weapon was and would he be carrying two tanks.

sorry if this seems overanalyzing, but I was just curious, if I missed your answer somewhere, please paste a quote or link. thanks

Jiggles · 06-11-2006, 03:16 PM

I like the silly comments in each update. A lot better than "Herez an Updatez, lolZ!"

o_sizeablessonic · 06-11-2006, 04:13 PM

Wow! Awesome! The railgun looks cool and science fiction a little bit, but still doesn't go over the top with the design; it's right smack perfectly in the middle. The tranquilizer looks awesome, and really looks somewhat real yet still somewhat cool and out there, but not too much, just like the railgun.

The Pyro looks awesome, and I don't think it looks like a fire fighter at all, it looks like...well... a pyro! The only I thing I don't like about it is the little flame on his stomach, it looks a little unnecessary. The Spy looks sweet. The detail on all the models is awesome.

The maps look awesome, I haven't really played openfire, so I can't make comments about the game play, but it looks great visually. So does CZ2, it looks great, and still is recognizable as CZ2.

Well, however, was probably the best part of the update. It is like CZ2, looks great, while still recognizable as Well, but the changes are all for the better. The lifts, which appear to lead to the roof, are a great addition, because with the original, when a sniper tried to get up the roof, he was slow on the ladder, so if another sniper was on the roof, the one on the ladder was usually screwed. So this could give a team a chance to get their snipers on the roof to take out snipers on the other teams roof. However, I am afraid that the lift can make it easier for enemy engineers to get up on the enemy roof and build Sentrys that cover the main door of the other team. Other than that, it's awesome! Keep up the great work!

06-11-2006, 11:30 AM	#172
Decs Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Norway Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Tiki, if you bothered reading the other replys and answers given in this thread regarding the pyro you will see that most of your pyro questions/feedback is allready answered. Im not sure what concept you're refering to, but the pyro concept on our webpage isnt the one we used for this model. __________________ Official model desecrator

06-11-2006, 11:33 AM	#173
o_lor Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Very nice media update, I can't wait to play FF. I've read some of this thread, but I disagree with the negative openfire posts. The way I see it, that is only one shot of a fairly unimportant part of the map. It's a place you don't want to be anyway, a death pit with an average life expectancy of just seconds! I like the uneven ground because it adds character, you could imagine a base where warfare is taking place and damage is happening. I doubt very much the features are unpassable and far from restricting concs, those little edges might make drop concs more interesting Eat you're doing a fantastic job on Well and I've always liked your maps although I'm not sure about the steps in the uno yard! I think the water effect on Well is very good I definitely wouldn't want to swim in that and as a medic (ritcH - what can I say I like changing my name ;p) I thank you for the opposition exit - brilliant. I also hope you bring back hollow because I think it was ahead of it's time with brilliant texturing. I think one of your signatures as a mapper and possibly defrag too, is using team coloured lighting and I think you should encourage all the mappers to do the same. I'm personally undecided about the brightness issue, I would guess that the bases would be brighter than the yards, and not much happens in yards anyway although in the interests of making the game newbie friendly which is very important, perhaps they should be a bit brighter. The models and weapons are all great so keep up the good work. The engie's gun is a very nice model especially, I like the little warning sticker! Now stop watching the world cup and release it already! Last edited by o_lor; 06-11-2006 at 05:23 PM.

06-11-2006, 05:28 AM	#161
o_etzell Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ok, so should the pyro's flame symbol be blue, yellow, and green? By your logic, yes.

06-11-2006, 05:35 AM	#162
o_skanky butterpuss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampon, FL Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	no shit, the red cross is the red fucking cross. thats what keeps you alive. in world war 2, medics didnt have olive crosses to match their fatigues. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE RED CROSS.

06-11-2006, 07:36 AM	#164
o_afla edge Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Haven't finished reading the 10 plus pages of comments, but did anybody notice the pyro's IC poking through his O2 tank or whatever that is. I think it was one of the CZ pictures. They need to either switch the IC around or reverse the model skin and put the tank of the left.

06-11-2006, 08:30 AM	#167
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, I'll agree with the folding stock on the SSG, looks dumb to have it in first person and not in 3rd. The medic's face does need some work. Maybe its a bad angle..? As for the cross, Keep it team colored. There is no Red Cross in the world of TFC, and its always been team colored. No reason to go around changing it now.

06-11-2006, 09:14 AM	#169
o_eat Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well front door is different to tfc in the following ways. The doorways in the yard go to ladders to the roof. Theres a grate halfway up looking into the balcony so you can get some good interaction between snipers on pubs etc. The balcony above this doorway is the offence exit. Hopefully this should make for a better map for all you medics out there

06-11-2006, 10:12 AM	#170
o_comrade tiki Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nova Prospekt Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm such a negative person...! Railgun: ...looks like a bubble gun or a neon light! The TFC default represented it better. Tranq: I like. Soldier/Canalzone2: Awesome player model. Textures make it feel a lot different, and I think the red logo really isn't classic at all... too much like Quake 4 or something new. I guess it also reminds me of the alienware logo, and isn't skull-like. I also suppose the light beacon makes me think of one of those things I just compared it to, does it change colour to show who owns which command point? Well: Err... no it isn't. I like the layout as seen, but all of those curves seem too high detail to run reasonably enough. Spy concept(s): Overgeared, in my opinion. So many pads. But not terrible. Pyro: (THIS is where my interests are) - Boots should fit tighter or at least have the side pull-straps as seen in concept. Either way they could use more definition. - Tank needs to be more secure! - One tank for all of that ammo AND still providing breathable air? Wow! Why to his glove? He could use a second tank and a hookup to the flamer... - Helmet light is distracting. IT BETTER WORK if it stays! - Belt should go OVER the side-pants... or at LEAST continue to the back. The butt looks too plain as-is. - Face looks like Jason. I liked the concept sketch's mask cover that dropped down from the visor to the neck, ignoring the face except for breathing apparatus showing through it. Although I like the current head, I would prefer to play with the concept sketch pyro in-game. Simpler and cleaner instead of fuzzy. Also without helmet/distracting light. Openfire: A lot of that stuff looks unnecessary, but no further complaints. The blue logo is good, at least it resembles what it is a little bit better.

06-11-2006, 02:48 PM	#176
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	nah its way more entertaining/interesting than non-LSD

06-11-2006, 02:53 PM	#177
o_mescalito Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Israel Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	f0cken drug addicts! you can't get a proper game anymore without some speedhacker bustin' into your server this days

06-11-2006, 03:16 PM	#179
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I like the silly comments in each update. A lot better than "Herez an Updatez, lolZ!"

06-11-2006, 04:13 PM	#180
o_sizeablessonic Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewere in Nevada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Wow! Awesome! The railgun looks cool and science fiction a little bit, but still doesn't go over the top with the design; it's right smack perfectly in the middle. The tranquilizer looks awesome, and really looks somewhat real yet still somewhat cool and out there, but not too much, just like the railgun. The Pyro looks awesome, and I don't think it looks like a fire fighter at all, it looks like...well... a pyro! The only I thing I don't like about it is the little flame on his stomach, it looks a little unnecessary. The Spy looks sweet. The detail on all the models is awesome. The maps look awesome, I haven't really played openfire, so I can't make comments about the game play, but it looks great visually. So does CZ2, it looks great, and still is recognizable as CZ2. Well, however, was probably the best part of the update. It is like CZ2, looks great, while still recognizable as Well, but the changes are all for the better. The lifts, which appear to lead to the roof, are a great addition, because with the original, when a sniper tried to get up the roof, he was slow on the ladder, so if another sniper was on the roof, the one on the ladder was usually screwed. So this could give a team a chance to get their snipers on the roof to take out snipers on the other teams roof. However, I am afraid that the lift can make it easier for enemy engineers to get up on the enemy roof and build Sentrys that cover the main door of the other team. Other than that, it's awesome! Keep up the great work!

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