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08-04-2008, 05:35 PM | #1 | |
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OldTimers/[o-t] Servers bans killing the FF Community?
There was a thread in the catacombs regarding why FF hasn't done as well as it should. Someone made a really good point and i thought i'd share with the rest of you all and see what you thought.
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08-04-2008, 05:45 PM | #2 |
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There are many fish in the sea.
These servers tend to be full most of the time, and are generally more popular: :e0: Server, PwnPalace, FF School.org, /order/, and {FYC}. I don't judge a game by the server I visit. I judge it by the game. If I get banned, there are other servers I can go to.... |
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08-04-2008, 05:54 PM | #3 | ||
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That is why i would also like any o-t admin look into my case if they had the time because i do think there is a mistake. If i was banned for good reason then so be it, but i remember playing on that server with no problems. Come back home and i'm perm banned. Like you said though, kube, there are other servers to play on just really not that many to choose from. However, the main point of this thread is yes, there it is there server/community and they can do whatever they want. BUT, all those bans from lingering from TFC (another game) in 2005 could be hurting the FF player base. WheelOfTime/Cheese made a valid point that could definitely be discussed within your gaming community. That list is a bit crazy... 56 pages, roughly 2,500 bans, and it could have been a permanent ban due to something little, ie: 7/25/08 7:03 pm bullfrog STEAM_0:0:11903646 "camping" 7/02/08 11:42 pm Horse-face Space-dog STEAM_0:0:16594182 Insulting the clan 7/02/08 10:18 pm Connor MacManus STEAM_0:0:19422739 Calling admins pathetic I know in their TFC servers, o-t admins would ban players on sight if a person was caught bunnyhopping. There are quite a few bans regarding that to skilled TFC players that would be very good for this game in FF because they were involved with the TFC community for 6-8+ years straight. Last edited by elwood; 08-04-2008 at 06:05 PM. |
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08-04-2008, 06:11 PM | #4 |
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Why don't you ask them about it in their forums? They have a private section where you can talk to them and no one else sees what you or they say.
The admins here will just close threads like this. |
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08-04-2008, 06:19 PM | #5 | |
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That's too bad, because i think something like this should be discussed. Personally after looking at that ridiculous 56 paged permanent ban list that is also as old and continued from the year 2005... it does have some impact on the game itself like it or not. Plus, i am asking them here and they can PM me over these forums because i don't want to register on yet another forum board. It's not necessary at all to register on another board when they can just shoot me a PM here. They can see my small personal request and get back to me no problem. |
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08-04-2008, 06:56 PM | #6 |
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This will probably be moved to that new forum specifically made for this.
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08-05-2008, 11:00 PM | #7 | |||||||
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My response to WheelOfTime in the Catecombs thread:
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Aside from that I believe we already ran the numbers and found there are an extremely few (less then 10?) people that have been banned in our other servers that tried FF later on, so this entire argument is a moot point. Scuzzy
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08-06-2008, 03:57 PM | #8 |
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i find it ironic that you use worse language than is allowed in your server.
You better not swear, or the 4 year olds will see it |
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08-06-2008, 04:44 PM | #9 | |
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1. It's not my server. 2. When the server is open to the public I follow the server rules. 3. I am unaware of any language restrictions in this forum, so swearing here isn't doesn't constitute any sort of hypocracy on my part. I'm not breaking any rules, no one has stated or warned me that I am. So... not sure what's ironic about all that green... but whatever floats your boat chief.
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08-06-2008, 04:50 PM | #10 |
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Sometimes I don't even look at what server I'm joining when I choose one, just the map and player count. So sometimes I go into the o-t server and cuss, but it's quickly brought to my attention, and I stop. I can abide by their rules.
The only thing I don't like about their server is the permanent minimum 50 choke I have, no matter how many are in it. 50-100 choke anytime of the day with any number of players. It's a real turn off. |
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08-06-2008, 05:18 PM | #11 |
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I'll play on any server that has enough people and that is within my ping range. (120 and below)
But if I see 8 or more people playing on OT, I will play there even if there are more people playing on other server. Its because I prefer that environment to hearing people swearing all the time, racist words being used all the time and people playing music over their mics. A person gets banned in another server that they run for another game, Then I would expect them to ban that person on all their servers, after all the person already proved that they can't follow rules on one server. |
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08-06-2008, 08:57 PM | #12 | |
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08-06-2008, 09:37 PM | #13 |
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Lets use some logic here.
Popular servers consist of: o-t, AE, and one or two others - I haven't checked recently because I've been busy and don't want to play on a rule restricted server (no cursing, etc... in this case it means I'm playing completely different games due to terribad rules on servers that are played on) when I do get the chance to blow off some steam. The word popular simply means that players play on it, and in reality we should be using populated because popular and FF do not go hand in hand, sadly. If a player that, for one reason or another, was banned years ago from a TFC o-t server, that person is banned on the FF server as well. So, lets say this chap was banned in an o-t TFC server for BunnyHopping, a mechanic built into FF. This chap has come back from inactivity due to TFC being dull to him, real life, whatever. He sees that there is a new fangled game called Fortress Forever from the cats, or ModDB, or wherever. Maybe he heard about it from a TF2 server. Doesn't matter. He downloads the game and looks at the list of populated servers. He sees that only one server has played playing (like usual) and it's the o-t server. He joins. He is banned. What incentive does this person have for sticking around? He has two choices. He can join any random server with 1-2 players on it but he doesn't know if they are bots or not... and why would he want to join a server with no people? The person doesn't know that the community usually joins servers once people join them, he's new. The argument that "I like that the o-t server is like that, it gives my servers more players" is bad. What if the o-t server wasn't like that, wouldn't you get more players by proxy? When somebody sees that there is only one server filled with people and he's banned from that one server he's not going to want to stick around. Remove the bans for people who b-hopped, camped, or did insignificant things like cursing or insulting an admin. It's ridiculous that when I glance through the ban list I see a ratio of 20:1 permanent:timed. The biggest reason why people don't play this game isn't because it's bad, it's because of the community. People tend to forget that servers are the biggest glue to a community and yes, while you do get players going through the o-t server, you're denying potentially every single one of these people (most with minor things that are unrelated to FF and are years old) from playing. However, I think the it's too late for FF. Even with the advertisement stuff on Steam most of the people that will care about it are probably banned and those that have already tried it lost interest when they found out they were banned from a server on a game they've never even played. Bad logic is bad. I mean, I go through the o-t FF ban list and I see tons of names I recognize from players that are/were a core part of the community and I wonder why they are perma banned compared to somebody else who isn't. Why on Earth do I see more FF bans than TF2 bans? How is this even a possibility?
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