Religion in schools

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Yes but those instances are few and far between compared to the majority of kids having to say the pledge of allegiance in school.

And where should the line get drawn? What if the kid's shirt has the word "Fuck" on it or anything else that is potentially obscene? It's sad how politically correct the school systems have become but all it takes is for one person to complain and that's the end of it.

You are discussing something obscene, we are discussing flags. You should consider doing a search on the topic. You will find those instances are not as rare as you believe.

[KubeDawg]

Sorry, the word I meant to use was offensive, which I believe still applies to a nation's flag. It might not offend you, but you're naive if you don't think some might find the American flag offensive.

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Sorry, the word I meant to use was offensive, which I believe still applies to a nation's flag. It might not offend you, but you're naive if you don't think some might find the American flag offensive.

1. It's a flag, there is nothing offensive about it. I have no issues recognizing people who don't like the US, but this is our country, we have a right to display our nation's colors even if you don't agree with our foreign or domestic policies. I for one have issues with both the current and the previous three administrations because their foreign and domestic policies have lead our country to the breaking point.

2. It represents the country we live in. It should be respected regardless of
you political affiliation because it represents those who fought and died to
give us the freedoms that we all take for granted.

3. What are you doing living in America if you find the the country and the
flag it represents offensive? I have no issue with people having a problem
with current or post administrations, but if you are here just to use our
country to get ahead in life(as you piss all over it), not to be mean, go make
your own country better instead of running from the issues it has.

4. Do you realize you are saying because someone is offended they have a right to censor another person's first amendment right to display the US flag?

5. Logical fallacy is something that people should not use in debate.

[KubeDawg]

There's nothing offensive about it... TO YOU.... But to other people it clearly is. Otherwise this would not be a problem in schools.

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

There's nothing offensive about it... TO YOU.... But to other people it clearly is. Otherwise this would not be a problem in schools.

So let me get this straight. You are stating someone should give up their first amendment right to wear a flag because someone is offended? You do know what the first amendment is right?

[KubeDawg]

Simply stating people are offended by something does not mean I am also offended, or believe a person's first amendment right should be disregarded. I'm just playing devil's advocate, as one cannot know a truth in its entirety without first seeing an issue from both sides. This is why my position might be occasionally perceived as for or against something, but with most subjects, it is neutral.

However, I do have an opinion on matters such as this, so let me state very clearly, so as to prevent any further misunderstanding. My opinion is that the pledge of allegiance should not be forced on kids, nor should forcing religious teachings in school. That's what churches, mosques and temples are for. Should kids be disallowed from creating their own social group to study their religion of choice or be disallowed to learn about a religion via an elective class? No. It's not my place to impose my beliefs on others.

[Innoc]

Much of what I see being discussed makes me glad that both of my children went to private school. Frankly qualifying the Pledge of Allegiance as indoctrination is silly. You're making it sounds like it's some bit of mind-numbing hypnosis. It is entirely possible to go through 12 years of time in government schools, say the pledge of allegiance, believe in the defined concepts that organized the US and, yet, despise the villainous pieces of shit that work so hard to keep us divided and in conflict.

So what is this thread really intended to discuss? It seems to me that there are already safeguards in place to allow those who dissent in government schools to opt out. I also firmly believe that having a well rounded education means having the opportunity for knowledge about all things. So for those that are objectionable...make them optional and move on.

How long before we have political monitors in the class room comrades?

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Simply stating people are offended by something does not mean I am also offended, or believe a person's first amendment right should be disregarded. I'm just playing devil's advocate, as one cannot know a truth in its entirety without first seeing an issue from both sides. This is why my position might be occasionally perceived as for or against something, but with most subjects, it is neutral.

However, I do have an opinion on matters such as this, so let me state very clearly, so as to prevent any further misunderstanding. My opinion is that the pledge of allegiance should not be forced on kids, nor should forcing religious teachings in school. That's what churches, mosques and temples are for. Should kids be disallowed from creating their own social group to study their religion of choice or be disallowed to learn about a religion via an elective class? No. It's not my place to impose my beliefs on others.

1. If the school allows you to opt out of the class; why is there an issue? Teaching religion is no different than teaching a theory that hasn't been proven empirically, and in fact, the theory has more evidence against it than for it.

2. The pledge of allegiance was never forced on children and if you did not
feel like stating the pledge you didn't have to, so your point is moot.

3. You state that it isn't yoru place to impose your belief on others, yet
that is exactly what you're doing..

[traxamillion]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Sorry, the word I meant to use was offensive, which I believe still applies to a nation's flag. It might not offend you, but you're naive if you don't think some might find the American flag offensive.

In today’s politically correct world, somehow misguided people have found the American flag to be offensive. This is typical liberal nonsense.

The American flag is racist.
The American flag represents bigotry.
The American flag is offensive.

The only idiots who find the American flag offensive are liberal/politically correct/brainwashed/nimrods/muslims.

If you don't like it go live in Yemen under sharia law.

[KubeDawg]

Originally Posted by traxamillion

This is typical liberal nonsense.

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Yeah, liberal use to represent the founding fathers and their conservative approach to life; now it has been highjacked by socialists who have rewritten the definition..

[traxamillion]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

[KubeDawg]

Wow what a smart and clever argument... Is that what you're forced to use anytime someone doesn't agree with anything about the US because you have no actual substantive rebuttal? Laff. GTFO of here with your false patriotism. It's clowns like you who give the US a bad name.

[the_cake]

lol this is like a bad fox news talk show.

Kube: I disagree with your thing, because...
Thread: Hey, this guy hates the constitution!
Kube: No, my point wa..
Thread: IF YOU DONT LIKE AMERKA YOU CAN GEEEET OUT