air control

o_hatetsi · 03-08-2006, 07:46 PM

Air control... oh the a-i-r c-o-n-t-r-o-l.
One of the biggest things i miss about qw and qwtf comparing on the mods today is the control you have about your movement in air, in qw it was just perfect.
I have played ONLY team fortress in the original team fortress, so not tfc so i cant say anything about its air control, (well our clan DOWNFALL had a quick 1 season on EETFL on ETF and it had a nice air control too) and i consider myself as one of the hardcore players at the time TF was on its peak, i spent hours and hours paractising the jumps and to be honest, i miss it.

So, my question is, will the air control be 1.similar 2.near 3. not at all like it, comparing to qwtf?

PHISH · 03-08-2006, 08:13 PM

tfc is a mod for halflife, which used a heavily modified version of the quake engine. Its air control is indentical to the original quake (and subsequently, quake tf). And yes, it is probably one of the greatest elements in the game and opens up a ton of new skills/moves etc. All indications are that this air control is going to be replicated to the closest degree on the source engine.

Circuitous · 03-08-2006, 08:14 PM

How else were they gonna include bhopping?

o_hatetsi · 03-08-2006, 08:29 PM

Well, i have been watching this mod and that q4 fortress thingy, the q4 fortress thingy seems to be a bit buried at the moment but not dead, and to be honest i wish FF will be the one to make it considering the amount of people who has intrest on this mod right now. q4 scene seems alot dead at the moment.

Looking at those pictures from well, oh man... i want to prime my concs allready, and bases, what can i say.... jesus christ

Its been too long, way too long, for the TeamFortress players to get their next fix and i truely hope this is The One.

Keep up the good work, you got me hooked allready, and i hope your mod gets the attetion and playerbase it deserves if the "hype" is even 75% true.

o_thom · 03-08-2006, 08:54 PM

N O D A M A G E T A K E N

o_nezumi · 03-09-2006, 05:37 AM

Yea, from what we hear they're trying to replicate TFC almost exactly, except they may be adding some things like trimping. I've never played any other fortress but TFC, so I don't know what trimping is like but I look foreward to it.

And welcome to the forums (doyooo!)

o_valk · 03-09-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thom

N O D A M A G E T A K E N

ahahaha

o_rebo · 03-09-2006, 07:19 PM

IMO TFC has the best air control in the business, the banana concs, bhops and glides make for very smooth gameplay.

o_nezumi · 03-10-2006, 09:18 AM

My favorite is when you get blasted by an enemy rocket and you use the velocity from that to fly across the map (And capture command point 3)

o_player · 03-10-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rebo

IMO TFC has the best air control in the business, the banana concs, bhops and glides make for very smooth gameplay.

Indeed, but I want to be able to pull incredibly tight strafes after a conc without the strafe "buckling". So no matter how fast you travel, you can still pull incredibly tight strafes. I would still be happy with strafing as close to TFC as possible though.

o_mikefed · 03-10-2006, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebo

IMO TFC has the best air control in the business, the banana concs, bhops and glides make for very smooth gameplay.

Banana conc?! What the hells one of those?

o_ghost · 03-10-2006, 01:28 PM

You conc and in mid air you peel a banana......

Actually, it's when you do a conc jump and turn in mid air, thus following the shape of a banana. It allows you to conc around corners, i.e. from the platform across from the fence onto the APc cap point of epicenter.

o_paft · 03-12-2006, 12:03 AM

I dont actually like Quake, there i said it. Well its a fab game i dont hate it and im not comparing,as you cant. I just dont like the Cult feel to it, it's odd. lets see how many insults i get.
and yes i know TF originaly came from Quake.

o_rebo · 03-12-2006, 12:11 AM

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Indeed, but I want to be able to pull incredibly tight strafes after a conc without the strafe "buckling".

I think being able to "tight turn" air strafe takes away a bit of skill, the reason why concing in TFC is such an art is because you need to carefully tune the speed of the conc, and balance it with the air-acceleration rate to pull off the move you want to. For instance rizzo's conc on openfire in the final (semi-final?) of ECTFC 7 is so amazing because its the ultimate balance of speed ,power, and air control. (oh yeah and luck too

)

o_nuggs · 03-12-2006, 12:48 AM

i agree compleatly rebo, and to everyone who is worried: dont be. The FF developers who wtf they are doing

also rizzos play was amazing

o_rebo · 03-12-2006, 01:25 AM

I wonder does anyone still have the avi of that move?

o_chu · 03-12-2006, 01:31 AM

It's in the ECTFC avi of course, but I dunno about the standalone clip..

"GREAT scoop-up by Rizzo, JESUS CHRIST!!"

o_kam · 03-12-2006, 01:41 AM

Deja vu because I swear you asked for it a few months ago...

4c's original:
http://media.ozfortress.com/avis/rizzo_thatconc.rar

reactions sexed up version:
http://media.ozfortress.com/avis/rizzrorecam.avi

o_rebo · 03-12-2006, 02:26 AM

Yeah I knew it was in the ECTFC version, just didnt want to download the whole thing again as I've got crappy broadband.

Defrag · 03-12-2006, 12:31 PM

The aircontrol in FF is very much like TFC's. HL2's movement system had some additional stuff mixed in that affected the ability to turn in the air; mirv managed to track down all of the stuff that messes with the perfection that is HL aircontrol and remove it.

03-08-2006, 07:46 PM	#1
o_hatetsi Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	air control Air control... oh the a-i-r c-o-n-t-r-o-l. One of the biggest things i miss about qw and qwtf comparing on the mods today is the control you have about your movement in air, in qw it was just perfect. I have played ONLY team fortress in the original team fortress, so not tfc so i cant say anything about its air control, (well our clan DOWNFALL had a quick 1 season on EETFL on ETF and it had a nice air control too) and i consider myself as one of the hardcore players at the time TF was on its peak, i spent hours and hours paractising the jumps and to be honest, i miss it. So, my question is, will the air control be 1.similar 2.near 3. not at all like it, comparing to qwtf?

03-08-2006, 08:14 PM	#3
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	How else were they gonna include bhopping? __________________ Look at all those dead links.

03-12-2006, 12:31 PM	#20
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The aircontrol in FF is very much like TFC's. HL2's movement system had some additional stuff mixed in that affected the ability to turn in the air; mirv managed to track down all of the stuff that messes with the perfection that is HL aircontrol and remove it. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

03-08-2006, 08:13 PM	#2
PHISH Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cow college Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	tfc is a mod for halflife, which used a heavily modified version of the quake engine. Its air control is indentical to the original quake (and subsequently, quake tf). And yes, it is probably one of the greatest elements in the game and opens up a ton of new skills/moves etc. All indications are that this air control is going to be replicated to the closest degree on the source engine.

03-08-2006, 08:29 PM	#4
o_hatetsi Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, i have been watching this mod and that q4 fortress thingy, the q4 fortress thingy seems to be a bit buried at the moment but not dead, and to be honest i wish FF will be the one to make it considering the amount of people who has intrest on this mod right now. q4 scene seems alot dead at the moment. Looking at those pictures from well, oh man... i want to prime my concs allready, and bases, what can i say.... jesus christ Its been too long, way too long, for the TeamFortress players to get their next fix and i truely hope this is The One. Keep up the good work, you got me hooked allready, and i hope your mod gets the attetion and playerbase it deserves if the "hype" is even 75% true.

03-08-2006, 08:54 PM	#5
o_thom Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	N O D A M A G E T A K E N

03-09-2006, 05:37 AM	#6
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yea, from what we hear they're trying to replicate TFC almost exactly, except they may be adding some things like trimping. I've never played any other fortress but TFC, so I don't know what trimping is like but I look foreward to it. And welcome to the forums (doyooo!)

03-09-2006, 07:19 PM	#8
o_rebo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	IMO TFC has the best air control in the business, the banana concs, bhops and glides make for very smooth gameplay.

03-10-2006, 09:18 AM	#9
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	My favorite is when you get blasted by an enemy rocket and you use the velocity from that to fly across the map (And capture command point 3)

03-10-2006, 01:28 PM	#12
o_ghost Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You conc and in mid air you peel a banana...... Actually, it's when you do a conc jump and turn in mid air, thus following the shape of a banana. It allows you to conc around corners, i.e. from the platform across from the fence onto the APc cap point of epicenter.

03-12-2006, 12:03 AM	#13
o_paft Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I dont actually like Quake, there i said it. Well its a fab game i dont hate it and im not comparing,as you cant. I just dont like the Cult feel to it, it's odd. lets see how many insults i get. and yes i know TF originaly came from Quake.

03-12-2006, 12:48 AM	#15
o_nuggs Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i agree compleatly rebo, and to everyone who is worried: dont be. The FF developers who wtf they are doing also rizzos play was amazing

03-12-2006, 01:25 AM	#16
o_rebo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	I wonder does anyone still have the avi of that move?

03-12-2006, 01:31 AM	#17
o_chu Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's in the ECTFC avi of course, but I dunno about the standalone clip.. "GREAT scoop-up by Rizzo, JESUS CHRIST!!"

03-12-2006, 01:41 AM	#18
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Deja vu because I swear you asked for it a few months ago... 4c's original: http://media.ozfortress.com/avis/rizzo_thatconc.rar reactions sexed up version: http://media.ozfortress.com/avis/rizzrorecam.avi

03-12-2006, 02:26 AM	#19
o_rebo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Yeah I knew it was in the ECTFC version, just didnt want to download the whole thing again as I've got crappy broadband.

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