(PC) OnLive

GeoKill-----> · 03-24-2009, 08:50 AM

http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/03...-out-of-games/

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The games can be played on any bog-standard laptop or PC without the need for a high-end graphics chip using OnLive’s plug-in software or on a TV connected to a box the size of a pack of cards that may well be given away for free.

Pretty neat huh?

Lost · 03-24-2009, 02:10 PM

*UT Voice*HOLY SHIT*END UT Voice*

That would be incredible. I'd pay for it.

Mooga · 03-24-2009, 10:08 PM

We'll see how that really works...

Agent Buckshot Moose · 03-24-2009, 10:50 PM

I'm sure the connection for the demonstration was probably streamlined to be specifically for that demonstration. Real connections will probably differ...

Demasu · 03-24-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Buckshot Moose

I'm sure the connection for the demonstration was probably streamlined to be specifically for that demonstration. Real connections will probably differ...

This summary is better, I think:

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Originally Posted by /.

Imagine playing bleeding-edge games, yet never again upgrading your hardware. That's the ambitious goal of OnLive's Internet delivered gaming service. Using cloud computing, OnLive's goal is to 'make all modern games playable on any system,' thanks in large part to OnLive's remote servers that do all the heavy lifting. With a fast enough Internet connection, gamers can effectively stream and play games using a PC, Mac, or a 'MicroConsole,' 'a dedicated gaming client provided by OnLive that includes a game controller.' Without ever having to worry about costly hardware upgrades or the cost of a next-gen console, gamers can expect to fork over about $50 yearly just for the service. If this thing takes off, this can spell trouble for gaming consoles down the road, especially if already-established services like Steam and Impulse join the fray.

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl...212&art_pos=12

xks · 03-25-2009, 02:02 PM

There isn't enough bandwidth in the world for this to become anything like a massive success. Yes, more bandwidth is arriving as the years go by, but the size of the data we are demanding is rising even faster.

Even today there are people who can't play games each evening on their DSL/Cable due to poor throttling, overcrowding and other issues that many ISP's never fix or cause themselves. If people can't even play games that require less than 30KB/sec upstream/downstream how on earth are they going to come close to demanding all of the content for the game and playing it through similar connections?

GeoKill-----> · 03-25-2009, 05:10 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/25/v...ted/#continued

Sh4x · 03-25-2009, 06:37 PM

Pretty interesting. I hope it delivers.

Honestly I don't understand how it can work though.

Let's say you ping 60 to the server. It takes 60ms for your input to get to server, than 60ms for the video to get back. That's 120ms minimum, not counting the other shit. Now let's get real, 60ms is a pretty good ping. What if you ping 100ms.. then it's minimum 200ms of lag. That's kinda considered unplayable today for a game like FF unless you like to get raped.

Am I missing something?

Anshinritsumai · 03-25-2009, 07:08 PM

It's a nice concept, better than what the Phantom had going for it; but still, I just can't see it lasting any longer than the Phantom did...

Oh yea, there's beta signups on the onlive website...

OneManArmy · 03-25-2009, 09:07 PM

They'll got to have a monster-like back-end for that....

Sh4x · 03-25-2009, 10:03 PM

Beta is only for americans, fuck that.

Mooga · 03-26-2009, 05:55 AM

We'll see.
I'm still worried about noticeable lag and bandwidth issues.

I also want to know what they call a "low end computer." Is a 1.2GHz P3 low end or is a 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of ram low end?

Also, their pricing scares me. Rent for 15 min? I hope they think like valve and realize that CHEAPER is better then more expensive. If it's 10 bucks to rent a game for an hour or 60 bucks to buy the game, they've done little more but give people a free xBox. Sure, a free xBox is great, but where we are currently, price is the key.

xks · 03-26-2009, 04:22 PM

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/gd...y-work-article

Sh4x · 03-26-2009, 10:27 PM

Heh, it does sound too good to be true.

-=bingo-bango=- · 03-26-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh4x

Beta is only for americans, fuck that.

yea, fuck those Americans ...wait wut.......

anyways. Heres the demo from GDC
linkzors

Im guessing theyve done some fancy shit over the past couple of years (theyve been working on it for 7 years *cough cough*) to where they probably think it will work

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Originally Posted by xks

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/gd...y-work-article

...im totally saving that, it will be fun to look back on and see how wrong or how right it is

OneManArmy · 03-27-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh4x

Pretty interesting. I hope it delivers.

Honestly I don't understand how it can work though.

Let's say you ping 60 to the server. It takes 60ms for your input to get to server, than 60ms for the video to get back. That's 120ms minimum, not counting the other shit. Now let's get real, 60ms is a pretty good ping. What if you ping 100ms.. then it's minimum 200ms of lag. That's kinda considered unplayable today for a game like FF unless you like to get raped.

Am I missing something?

Ping is the time you send packet and get response from server. You'll get exactly the same network lag as you could get by playing FF

Mooga · 03-27-2009, 01:58 PM

Lag on a server and lag between CONTROLS is very different.
You can live with lag on a server.
Log on the controls makes a game 100% UNPLAYABLE.

Pressing forward should move you forward instantly, not 2 seconds later.
As a network guy, I don't see this actually working as expected.

Sh4x · 03-27-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OneManArmy

Ping is the time you send packet and get response from server. You'll get exactly the same network lag as you could get by playing FF

Right. I didn't think hard enough before posting lol.

But like Mooga pointed out, network lag might be the same but lag on controls is a different beast. So let's say you ping 60 to the server, that means you'll get a 30ms delay on controls right? That would probably be very noticeable in any fast paced game and make it almost unplayable.

OneManArmy · 03-27-2009, 04:30 PM

Isn't controls lag depending on network connection?

Etzell · 03-27-2009, 04:53 PM

Good luck... but there's so much room for catastrophic failure and so little room for success... I'll be surprised if it's anything more than a fun curiosity that fades rather quickly.

03-24-2009, 02:10 PM	#2
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03-24-2009, 10:08 PM	#3
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03-26-2009, 05:55 AM	#12
Mooga Colorless FTW D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A Small Box Affiliations: SRCDS.com Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	We'll see. I'm still worried about noticeable lag and bandwidth issues. I also want to know what they call a "low end computer." Is a 1.2GHz P3 low end or is a 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of ram low end? Also, their pricing scares me. Rent for 15 min? I hope they think like valve and realize that CHEAPER is better then more expensive. If it's 10 bucks to rent a game for an hour or 60 bucks to buy the game, they've done little more but give people a free xBox. Sure, a free xBox is great, but where we are currently, price is the key. __________________ ~ Mooga ...w00t? SRCDS.com \| Twitter

03-24-2009, 10:50 PM	#4
Agent Buckshot Moose Wiki Standards Team Wiki Team Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Geokill's closet Class/Position: Sniper/Demoman Gametype: CTF Affiliations: :e0: Co-leader Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	I'm sure the connection for the demonstration was probably streamlined to be specifically for that demonstration. Real connections will probably differ...

03-25-2009, 02:02 PM	#6
xks Exceedingly Correct. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: London, England. Class/Position: Variable Gametype: QuakeLive CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	There isn't enough bandwidth in the world for this to become anything like a massive success. Yes, more bandwidth is arriving as the years go by, but the size of the data we are demanding is rising even faster. Even today there are people who can't play games each evening on their DSL/Cable due to poor throttling, overcrowding and other issues that many ISP's never fix or cause themselves. If people can't even play games that require less than 30KB/sec upstream/downstream how on earth are they going to come close to demanding all of the content for the game and playing it through similar connections?

03-25-2009, 06:37 PM	#8
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Pretty interesting. I hope it delivers. Honestly I don't understand how it can work though. Let's say you ping 60 to the server. It takes 60ms for your input to get to server, than 60ms for the video to get back. That's 120ms minimum, not counting the other shit. Now let's get real, 60ms is a pretty good ping. What if you ping 100ms.. then it's minimum 200ms of lag. That's kinda considered unplayable today for a game like FF unless you like to get raped. Am I missing something?

03-25-2009, 09:07 PM	#10
OneManArmy Ka-boom! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ukraine Class/Position: Demo, Solly, Pyro Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	They'll got to have a monster-like back-end for that....

03-25-2009, 10:03 PM	#11
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Beta is only for americans, fuck that.

03-26-2009, 04:22 PM	#13
xks Exceedingly Correct. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: London, England. Class/Position: Variable Gametype: QuakeLive CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/gd...y-work-article

03-26-2009, 10:27 PM	#14
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Heh, it does sound too good to be true.

03-27-2009, 01:58 PM	#17
Mooga Colorless FTW D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A Small Box Affiliations: SRCDS.com Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Lag on a server and lag between CONTROLS is very different. You can live with lag on a server. Log on the controls makes a game 100% UNPLAYABLE. Pressing forward should move you forward instantly, not 2 seconds later. As a network guy, I don't see this actually working as expected. __________________ ~ Mooga ...w00t? SRCDS.com \| Twitter

03-27-2009, 04:30 PM	#19
OneManArmy Ka-boom! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ukraine Class/Position: Demo, Solly, Pyro Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Isn't controls lag depending on network connection?

03-27-2009, 04:53 PM	#20
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Good luck... but there's so much room for catastrophic failure and so little room for success... I'll be surprised if it's anything more than a fun curiosity that fades rather quickly.

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