Concing Question

zSilver_Fox · 07-09-2007, 02:18 PM

In TFC, there's a bit of a delay (even on LAN) between releasing your primed nade and when it is actually released from you.

Will this be implemented into FF? It's a minor thing, but makes a huge difference.

TurboWolf · 07-09-2007, 02:39 PM

I think all this will be client side, so no lag at all. Not even as little as LAN.

zSilver_Fox · 07-09-2007, 02:54 PM

That's not what I mean. There's a SLIGHT delay between releasing and the conc being released. Admin mod would sometimes screw it up and have the conc release right away.

Beetle · 07-09-2007, 03:33 PM

I know what you mean by the delay, but ive never had a problem with it. Its consistant, and isn't that the only thing that matters?

zSilver_Fox · 07-09-2007, 04:15 PM

Ok, that's all I needed to know.

Circuitous · 07-09-2007, 05:22 PM

I don't entirely understand the point of this question.

zSilver_Fox · 07-09-2007, 05:48 PM

That little delay is an integral part of concing. And if you know what the elitist assholes are like, you'd know that if it was removed they wouldn't play, which would be a sizeable chunk of the community, which would result in FF being today's TFC community wise, which would then bring the Yellow Rapture.

Circuitous · 07-09-2007, 05:50 PM

Stupid question time, why is that delay integral to concing?

Are you talking about straight-up tap grenades, where you just tap the prime button? 'Cuz that still has a delay.

Scuzzy · 07-09-2007, 06:12 PM

I think he's saying that you don't instantly see the grenade on your screen the second you click the mouse button. There's a "wind-up" before the throw, although very small.

So the skills community wouldn't be able to adjust if there wasn't that delay and they'd give up on the game entirely eh?

Circuitous · 07-09-2007, 06:19 PM

They don't want a hurdle thrown into their 100m dash.

Player · 07-09-2007, 06:34 PM

If you open up the map through console ( map > mapname ), the delay is removed, but if you open up a map through 'Create Server' it remains.

I prefer concing with the delay.

GhOsT · 07-09-2007, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuzzy

I think he's saying that you don't instantly see the grenade on your screen the second you click the mouse button. There's a "wind-up" before the throw, although very small.

So the skills community wouldn't be able to adjust if there wasn't that delay and they'd give up on the game entirely eh?

Heh, you need to go back and look at some of the threads over the past year to see just how anal some people are regarding the one specific feature that is crucial to their little sub-community of TFC.

zSilver_Fox · 07-09-2007, 06:45 PM

It makes a huge difference, and I'm referring to all people who use grenades. Which includes league players, which is a majority of what's left of TFC.

Snap?

PHISH · 07-09-2007, 06:58 PM

the entity (Conc in this case) will only be created on the server at the time it is transmitted from the client...so thats usually 50-100ms. I'm guessing that's the delay you're talking about.

I don't know what preference for the delay you're talking about. People generally want that delay to be as small as possible

I know I do, I hate priming a grenade and releasing it then immediately dying, only for the grenade to not release (and thus not kill a sg etc) due to said delay.

Circuitous · 07-09-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zSilver_Fox

It makes a huge difference, and I'm referring to all people who use grenades. Which includes league players, which is a majority of what's left of TFC.

Snap?

What is this "huge difference" it makes? Explain it.

GambiT · 07-09-2007, 07:16 PM

um..i'm not sure i see the point of this or what exactly is being discussed. isnt the status of "skilled" or "elitist" earned by adjusting to and perfecting(to an extent) one or more aspects of the game? if there was no longer a delay would you not be able to adjust? am i close to what your getting at? i dunno maybe i'm wayyy off i just dont fully understand the point of this.

Circuitous · 07-09-2007, 07:18 PM

You're only elitist if you cling desperately to whatever you currently have.

Scuzzy · 07-09-2007, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zSilver_Fox

It makes a huge difference, and I'm referring to all people who use grenades. Which includes league players, which is a majority of what's left of TFC.

I've been under the impression that the leagues were dying off much faster then the regular playerbase. We have a few members that played with 30+ and DS... I don't know that many that are still leaguing bigtime, most have given it up until FF and TF2

Etzell · 07-09-2007, 08:34 PM

Man, if people are gonna leave because one miniscule thing is different, I think we need to scrap FF.

GambiT · 07-09-2007, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzell

Man, if people are gonna leave because one miniscule thing is different

let them leave

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzell

I think we need to scrap FF.

wash your mouth out!

07-09-2007, 02:18 PM	#1
zSilver_Fox IRL Combat Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ethanol Land Class/Position: D Medic Gametype: Conca Jumping Affiliations: ^iv Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Concing Question In TFC, there's a bit of a delay (even on LAN) between releasing your primed nade and when it is actually released from you. Will this be implemented into FF? It's a minor thing, but makes a huge difference.

07-09-2007, 05:22 PM	#6
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	I don't entirely understand the point of this question. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

07-09-2007, 05:48 PM	#7
zSilver_Fox IRL Combat Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ethanol Land Class/Position: D Medic Gametype: Conca Jumping Affiliations: ^iv Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That little delay is an integral part of concing. And if you know what the elitist assholes are like, you'd know that if it was removed they wouldn't play, which would be a sizeable chunk of the community, which would result in FF being today's TFC community wise, which would then bring the Yellow Rapture. __________________ I have a nasopharyngeal and webcam... First infraction! Flaming!

07-09-2007, 05:50 PM	#8
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Stupid question time, why is that delay integral to concing? Are you talking about straight-up tap grenades, where you just tap the prime button? 'Cuz that still has a delay. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

07-09-2007, 06:12 PM	#9
Scuzzy The Old Timers Clan D&A Member Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Server: 206.217.134.170:27016 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I think he's saying that you don't instantly see the grenade on your screen the second you click the mouse button. There's a "wind-up" before the throw, although very small. So the skills community wouldn't be able to adjust if there wasn't that delay and they'd give up on the game entirely eh? __________________ "Player Quality, not Quantity, is what we strive for." - The LLama Wrangler "A clan is defined by the nature of it's enemies. - The Llama Wrangler

07-09-2007, 02:39 PM	#2
TurboWolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spain Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think all this will be client side, so no lag at all. Not even as little as LAN.

07-09-2007, 02:54 PM	#3
zSilver_Fox IRL Combat Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ethanol Land Class/Position: D Medic Gametype: Conca Jumping Affiliations: ^iv Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That's not what I mean. There's a SLIGHT delay between releasing and the conc being released. Admin mod would sometimes screw it up and have the conc release right away.

07-09-2007, 03:33 PM	#4
Beetle Beta than eva' Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I know what you mean by the delay, but ive never had a problem with it. Its consistant, and isn't that the only thing that matters?

07-09-2007, 04:15 PM	#5
zSilver_Fox IRL Combat Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ethanol Land Class/Position: D Medic Gametype: Conca Jumping Affiliations: ^iv Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ok, that's all I needed to know.

07-09-2007, 06:19 PM	#10
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	They don't want a hurdle thrown into their 100m dash. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

07-09-2007, 06:34 PM	#11
Player D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Europe Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	If you open up the map through console ( map > mapname ), the delay is removed, but if you open up a map through 'Create Server' it remains. I prefer concing with the delay.

07-09-2007, 06:45 PM	#13
zSilver_Fox IRL Combat Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ethanol Land Class/Position: D Medic Gametype: Conca Jumping Affiliations: ^iv Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It makes a huge difference, and I'm referring to all people who use grenades. Which includes league players, which is a majority of what's left of TFC. Snap? __________________ I have a nasopharyngeal and webcam... First infraction! Flaming!

07-09-2007, 06:58 PM	#14
PHISH Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cow college Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	the entity (Conc in this case) will only be created on the server at the time it is transmitted from the client...so thats usually 50-100ms. I'm guessing that's the delay you're talking about. I don't know what preference for the delay you're talking about. People generally want that delay to be as small as possible I know I do, I hate priming a grenade and releasing it then immediately dying, only for the grenade to not release (and thus not kill a sg etc) due to said delay.

07-09-2007, 07:16 PM	#16
GambiT Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Baton Rouge Class/Position: Spy Affiliations: -=DoM=- Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	um..i'm not sure i see the point of this or what exactly is being discussed. isnt the status of "skilled" or "elitist" earned by adjusting to and perfecting(to an extent) one or more aspects of the game? if there was no longer a delay would you not be able to adjust? am i close to what your getting at? i dunno maybe i'm wayyy off i just dont fully understand the point of this. __________________ -------------------------------FF_Rock2(WIP)------------------------------ ---------------------------FF_RedGiant(Released)------------------------- --------------------------FF_Fragzone_G(Released)------------------------ --------------------------FF_Civibash_G(Released)------------------------ -------------------FF_Conc_G1(WIP)-------------------- -------------------FF_Hollow_G(WIP)---------------------

07-09-2007, 07:18 PM	#17
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	You're only elitist if you cling desperately to whatever you currently have. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

07-09-2007, 08:34 PM	#19
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Man, if people are gonna leave because one miniscule thing is different, I think we need to scrap FF.

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