Need a little help for my map

o_sh4x · 11-16-2006, 04:45 AM

Ok here's the deal. There's a pipe in my map and it's made out of too many brushes right now cause I want it to look nice and curved and it's probably taking way too much resources so I was wondering if anyone could remake it the exact same way but as a model?

I uploaded the hammer file with the pipe in it so you can have a look at it and build it the exact same way.

I figured it could take like 10 minutes for an experienced modeler compared to a couple hours for me so I would really appreciate it. Of course I'll give credits in the nfo.

VMF available here:
http://www.yannricher.com/FF/pipe.rar

o_nezumi · 11-16-2006, 05:58 AM

Could you throw up a screenshot? It may be possible to make the thing out of displacements.

o_stino · 11-16-2006, 10:29 AM

this is for tfc i assume, if it was source you could use displacements

o_nodnarb · 11-16-2006, 12:26 PM

it is probably his ff_3floors map

o_sh4x · 11-16-2006, 05:30 PM

It's for source ff_3floors.

I wouldn't know how to do the exact same pipe with displacements and I haven't found tutorials on it.

It would probably take me the same time to learn modeling and do it as a model than mess around with displacements to create that.

Here's a screenshot, it's just a pipe, easy model no?

o_nodnarb · 11-16-2006, 09:10 PM

http://interlopers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9161

o_sh4x · 11-16-2006, 10:19 PM

Yeah I've seen that tutorial but it's not good for what I need. You only get the outside of the pipe using that method.

I need the inside too, and it needs to be merged at 180 degree with the outside creating an edge with a width just like in the screenshot above.

It has to be possible to walk through the pipe while standing up.

trepid_jesse · 11-17-2006, 04:35 PM

The subdivide way is the shitty and lazy way. What you end up with after using subdivide sucks dick. Just look at that "tutorial" that someone posted. Holy fuck ass, that shit sucked.

What you're wanting to do is pretty simple shit, though.

I would show you the shit, but I'm not on my shit right now and I won't be for a few more hours. So, shit? If no one has shown you by the time I get back, I'll whip my dick out on your forehead.

o_sh4x · 11-17-2006, 06:27 PM

Shit yeah!

o_loader · 11-17-2006, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trepid_jesse

The subdivide way is the shitty and lazy way. What you end up with after using subdivide sucks dick. Just look at that "tutorial" that someone posted. Holy fuck ass, that shit sucked.

What you're wanting to do is pretty simple shit, though.

I would show you the shit, but I'm not on my shit right now and I won't be for a few more hours. So, shit? If no one has shown you by the time I get back, I'll whip my dick out on your forehead.

I love this guy.

trepid_jesse · 11-17-2006, 09:05 PM

So, what are the dimensions of the shit? What's the radius of the outside edge, and how thick is the wall?

I'm guessing the outside radius is 256 units, it's 32 units thick, and it's got 8 sections per 90 degrees?

editieid
I didn't know how long it was gonna take you to reply, so, I just went ahead and made it based on those dimensions.

www.trepid.net/files/shax_pipe-VMF.zip

Annnd, that took like... exactly 13 minutes to make. I was saving that shit as the oven timer was going off, it was fuckin' magical. So, you can realize this way is still easy as fuck.

Fuck subdivide for this kind of shit. People who use subdivide for this kind of shit are worthless.

And now I'ma jizz on this pizza, cause I like food.

o_ma|2io · 11-17-2006, 09:32 PM

hahaha

o_bumgravy · 11-18-2006, 08:54 AM

Also http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w...h_XSI_Mod_Tool just make what you want with brushes then use this tut to convert it to a model

o_sh4x · 11-18-2006, 09:18 PM

Jesse, you did the inside and the outside of the pipe, but not the front and the back and I really need that.

I could probably use the same technique to make the front and back as displacement too but I'm thinking that a model would have been alot easier.

But what do I know about models.

o_sh4x · 11-18-2006, 09:22 PM

Thanks for the link Bum but right now I don't have the energy to look into models or anything. It'S already hard enough for me to finish map, I can't waste hours messing around with models or anything. So if anyone want to do the exact same pipe I posted as a vmf as a model and ship it to me then that would be pretty cool, otherwise I'll just wait until everything else is done in the map and see if I still got some desire for a better pipe or not.

o_nezumi · 11-21-2006, 04:13 AM

There's a pipe cap model in HL2 somewhere. I don't know if it matches your dimensions though.

If you want to try to make it out of displacements WITH the ends of the pipe, just play around with displacement tools with 'spacial' unchecked. It is possible to move everything by exact units so you can eventually nudge everything into place. I'd use one displacement (or 2 4) for the outside and one end, and another one (or another set of 2 or 4) for the inside and other end, if you need that end too.

The textures would wind up getting a little bit stretched unless the pipe's length was a multiple of 7, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem. All the arches that aren't part of the rafters in this screnshot are basically made that way (except they don't have an 'outside', of course).

11-16-2006, 04:45 AM	#1
o_sh4x Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Need a little help for my map Ok here's the deal. There's a pipe in my map and it's made out of too many brushes right now cause I want it to look nice and curved and it's probably taking way too much resources so I was wondering if anyone could remake it the exact same way but as a model? I uploaded the hammer file with the pipe in it so you can have a look at it and build it the exact same way. I figured it could take like 10 minutes for an experienced modeler compared to a couple hours for me so I would really appreciate it. Of course I'll give credits in the nfo. VMF available here: http://www.yannricher.com/FF/pipe.rar

11-17-2006, 04:35 PM	#8
trepid_jesse Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The subdivide way is the shitty and lazy way. What you end up with after using subdivide sucks dick. Just look at that "tutorial" that someone posted. Holy fuck ass, that shit sucked. What you're wanting to do is pretty simple shit, though. I would show you the shit, but I'm not on my shit right now and I won't be for a few more hours. So, shit? If no one has shown you by the time I get back, I'll whip my dick out on your forehead. __________________ Support FF: Trepid, what?

11-17-2006, 09:05 PM	#11
trepid_jesse Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	So, what are the dimensions of the shit? What's the radius of the outside edge, and how thick is the wall? I'm guessing the outside radius is 256 units, it's 32 units thick, and it's got 8 sections per 90 degrees? editieid I didn't know how long it was gonna take you to reply, so, I just went ahead and made it based on those dimensions. www.trepid.net/files/shax_pipe-VMF.zip Annnd, that took like... exactly 13 minutes to make. I was saving that shit as the oven timer was going off, it was fuckin' magical. So, you can realize this way is still easy as fuck. Fuck subdivide for this kind of shit. People who use subdivide for this kind of shit are worthless. And now I'ma jizz on this pizza, cause I like food. __________________ Support FF: Trepid, what? Last edited by trepid_jesse; 11-17-2006 at 09:28 PM.

11-16-2006, 05:58 AM	#2
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Could you throw up a screenshot? It may be possible to make the thing out of displacements.

11-16-2006, 10:29 AM	#3
o_stino Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	this is for tfc i assume, if it was source you could use displacements

11-16-2006, 12:26 PM	#4
o_nodnarb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	it is probably his ff_3floors map

11-16-2006, 05:30 PM	#5
o_sh4x Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's for source ff_3floors. I wouldn't know how to do the exact same pipe with displacements and I haven't found tutorials on it. It would probably take me the same time to learn modeling and do it as a model than mess around with displacements to create that. Here's a screenshot, it's just a pipe, easy model no?

11-16-2006, 09:10 PM	#6
o_nodnarb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://interlopers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9161

11-16-2006, 10:19 PM	#7
o_sh4x Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah I've seen that tutorial but it's not good for what I need. You only get the outside of the pipe using that method. I need the inside too, and it needs to be merged at 180 degree with the outside creating an edge with a width just like in the screenshot above. It has to be possible to walk through the pipe while standing up.

11-17-2006, 06:27 PM	#9
o_sh4x Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Shit yeah!

11-17-2006, 09:32 PM	#12
o_ma\|2io Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Detroit, MI Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hahaha

11-18-2006, 08:54 AM	#13
o_bumgravy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Also http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w...h_XSI_Mod_Tool just make what you want with brushes then use this tut to convert it to a model

11-18-2006, 09:18 PM	#14
o_sh4x Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Jesse, you did the inside and the outside of the pipe, but not the front and the back and I really need that. I could probably use the same technique to make the front and back as displacement too but I'm thinking that a model would have been alot easier. But what do I know about models.

11-18-2006, 09:22 PM	#15
o_sh4x Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Montreal Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks for the link Bum but right now I don't have the energy to look into models or anything. It'S already hard enough for me to finish map, I can't waste hours messing around with models or anything. So if anyone want to do the exact same pipe I posted as a vmf as a model and ship it to me then that would be pretty cool, otherwise I'll just wait until everything else is done in the map and see if I still got some desire for a better pipe or not.

11-21-2006, 04:13 AM	#16
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There's a pipe cap model in HL2 somewhere. I don't know if it matches your dimensions though. If you want to try to make it out of displacements WITH the ends of the pipe, just play around with displacement tools with 'spacial' unchecked. It is possible to move everything by exact units so you can eventually nudge everything into place. I'd use one displacement (or 2 4) for the outside and one end, and another one (or another set of 2 or 4) for the inside and other end, if you need that end too. The textures would wind up getting a little bit stretched unless the pipe's length was a multiple of 7, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem. All the arches that aren't part of the rafters in this screnshot are basically made that way (except they don't have an 'outside', of course).

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