Anyone Still Map for TFC?

StoneFrog · 02-17-2009, 12:22 AM

I was wondering if anybody here still mapped for TFC. Goldsrc mapping has become esoteric knowledge, but I just enjoy it far more than Source mapping.

Where to begin - long story short, I just have far too many memories of TFC and wish to stay with it until it's completely dead. I don't know what I would do after that. FF is great but lacks a massive player base, and TF2 is just...I don't know. I enjoy it but not in a fanatical "true TF game" sense. Such a breed of games is dying out, so I don't know what to make of that.

Anyway. Some pockets of TFC "clans" still exist. The one I link to in particular is one of my favorite servers, jolt.co.uk's [FM] Fun Server. Among them are some of the few who still map for TFC.

I map for TFC as well, and I enjoy it, but simultaneously I have never had the motivation to finish a map. Sometimes I wonder if it's even worth it anymore. I know that they say "if you enjoy something, stick with it", but it's inevitable that TFC is coming to its end.

So I was wondering if anybody still maps for TFC, and, additionally, if anyone has any insight for someone in my predicament.

P.S. Sorry if the post was a tad wordy, I'm not right in the head today - fever.

Iggy · 02-17-2009, 12:40 AM

If you finish a map..... I'll play it. I don't care how long I have to keep an old system running.... but I'll do it, because I love TFC. I will play this game, even if only with bots.... until I can no longer physically do it.

I have close to 2000 maps.... and only HATE 2 or 3. Good chance I'll play it.

**Crazycarl** · 02-17-2009, 12:41 AM

Move to FF. Seriously. With lua scripting you can create maps that you could only dream of with the TFC entities. If you remake an existing TFC map you are much more likely to finish it, and everyone will be really enthusiastic about it.

I quit mapping for TFC when I quit playing regularly, several years ago. I only finished one map, which I later converted it to FF (It's ff_banderas now).

hlstriker · 02-17-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StoneFrog

I map for TFC as well, and I enjoy it, but simultaneously I have never had the motivation to finish a map. Sometimes I wonder if it's even worth it anymore. I know that they say "if you enjoy something, stick with it", but it's inevitable that TFC is coming to its end.

1) You never had the motivation to finish a map.
2) You are wondering if it's worth it.
3) You posted this thread which pretty much tells us you are doubting yourself mapping for GoldSrc.

Knowing these 3 things I would say don't even bother mapping for TFC. Move on and map for FF

StoneFrog · 02-17-2009, 12:55 AM

hlstriker - True, but what keeps me bound to TFC is the remnants of its community. I enjoy playing with them and maintaining our own slice of TFC that is still as ever-changing and alive as during the WON days.

I don't know if FF can really produce that for me. I played Fortress Forever when it first came out and actually had a 3 digit server count. It was great fun, but now it's become an uncertain prospect. It's sad how so much work was put in by you guys into FF and then the coming of TF2 wrecked so much of it (as it did to TFC).

Still, these things happen - it's just rather hard to get over.

Additionally, I'm a sucker for TFC's entities. Comparing it to TF2's entities are like comparing the construction of a skyscraper to Lincoln Logs. Though I don't know if I want to get in over my head with learning LUA. :\

Tyrant · 02-17-2009, 01:09 AM

move onto ff

source lets even beginning mappers produce higher quality maps with it's easiness.

StoneFrog · 02-17-2009, 01:26 AM

I've played around with mapping for both and I prefer Goldsrc. Less insane decal and prop whoring and lower standards of quality to live up to. Plus I'm used to miscellaneous little tweaks in Goldsrc Hammer such as a circle pointer for the clip tool as opposed to Source Hammer's square one. :P

-=bingo-bango=- · 02-17-2009, 02:09 AM

i was actually catching your drift up until that last post there

R22B · 02-17-2009, 01:25 PM

I've mapped for TFC for so long that I still find myself using brushes to make stuff instead of importing models to do it... lol.

StoneFrog · 02-17-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by R22B

I've mapped for TFC for so long that I still find myself using brushes to make stuff instead of importing models to do it... lol.

Props are EVIL! Anyone can make objects out of brushes but not everyone can model props. It's a bottleneck on creativity.

OneManArmy · 02-19-2009, 05:32 AM

You can produce fantastic maps with a minimal number of props.

Doughnut-4|4- · 02-19-2009, 09:10 AM

I map because i love creating maps. It's like arranging a symphony.... balancing defense and offense... creating strong holds and weaknesses... designing architecture with argiculture... using sounds to tell a player where he is even in complete darkness... its magic. Every mapper knows when hes done a good job but having others enjoy the creation is 10 fold... and extremely rare in any video game. I switched to FF for mapping because the graphics were superior and the gameplay is comparable. I think the tools (hammer vs source) are about the same and really just a means to an end. Do it if you love it.

I don't think any game truely dies unless it's replaced so long as there are a handful of players and servers. I still play pacman. One thing I struggle to find with Fortress is a server like the TFC capture the flag moderated pubs (where you play offense vs defense when numbers are under 10 and you communicate and use teamwork)... one probably exists but i mainly play during the off hours so im screwed.

greenday5494 · 02-21-2009, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoneFrog

hlstriker - True, but what keeps me bound to TFC is the remnants of its community. I enjoy playing with them and maintaining our own slice of TFC that is still as ever-changing and alive as during the WON days.

I don't know if FF can really produce that for me. I played Fortress Forever when it first came out and actually had a 3 digit server count. It was great fun, but now it's become an uncertain prospect. It's sad how so much work was put in by you guys into FF and then the coming of TF2 wrecked so much of it (as it did to TFC).

Still, these things happen - it's just rather hard to get over.

Additionally, I'm a sucker for TFC's entities. Comparing it to TF2's entities are like comparing the construction of a skyscraper to Lincoln Logs. Though I don't know if I want to get in over my head with learning LUA. :\

there's your problem. Try it with the newest patches

s0undch4s3r · 02-23-2009, 11:24 PM

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jolt.co.uk's [FM] Fun Server

YES!!!!!!

i play there many times.....it's like you're at home everytime i go there.

great assortment of maps and community.

wish there were more servers like this one....it is a FUN server!!

Iggy · 02-23-2009, 11:36 PM

Will they run rock2? And will people not split when it pops up?

02-17-2009, 12:22 AM	#1
StoneFrog Born to Frag. Join Date: Feb 2009 Class/Position: Demoman Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Anyone Still Map for TFC? I was wondering if anybody here still mapped for TFC. Goldsrc mapping has become esoteric knowledge, but I just enjoy it far more than Source mapping. Where to begin - long story short, I just have far too many memories of TFC and wish to stay with it until it's completely dead. I don't know what I would do after that. FF is great but lacks a massive player base, and TF2 is just...I don't know. I enjoy it but not in a fanatical "true TF game" sense. Such a breed of games is dying out, so I don't know what to make of that. Anyway. Some pockets of TFC "clans" still exist. The one I link to in particular is one of my favorite servers, jolt.co.uk's [FM] Fun Server. Among them are some of the few who still map for TFC. I map for TFC as well, and I enjoy it, but simultaneously I have never had the motivation to finish a map. Sometimes I wonder if it's even worth it anymore. I know that they say "if you enjoy something, stick with it", but it's inevitable that TFC is coming to its end. So I was wondering if anybody still maps for TFC, and, additionally, if anyone has any insight for someone in my predicament. P.S. Sorry if the post was a tad wordy, I'm not right in the head today - fever.

02-17-2009, 12:41 AM	#3
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	Move to FF. Seriously. With lua scripting you can create maps that you could only dream of with the TFC entities. If you remake an existing TFC map you are much more likely to finish it, and everyone will be really enthusiastic about it. I quit mapping for TFC when I quit playing regularly, several years ago. I only finished one map, which I later converted it to FF (It's ff_banderas now). __________________ Support FF:

02-17-2009, 12:55 AM	#5
StoneFrog Born to Frag. Join Date: Feb 2009 Class/Position: Demoman Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hlstriker - True, but what keeps me bound to TFC is the remnants of its community. I enjoy playing with them and maintaining our own slice of TFC that is still as ever-changing and alive as during the WON days. I don't know if FF can really produce that for me. I played Fortress Forever when it first came out and actually had a 3 digit server count. It was great fun, but now it's become an uncertain prospect. It's sad how so much work was put in by you guys into FF and then the coming of TF2 wrecked so much of it (as it did to TFC). Still, these things happen - it's just rather hard to get over. Additionally, I'm a sucker for TFC's entities. Comparing it to TF2's entities are like comparing the construction of a skyscraper to Lincoln Logs. Though I don't know if I want to get in over my head with learning LUA. :\

02-17-2009, 01:09 AM	#6
Tyrant Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	move onto ff source lets even beginning mappers produce higher quality maps with it's easiness.

02-17-2009, 01:26 AM	#7
StoneFrog Born to Frag. Join Date: Feb 2009 Class/Position: Demoman Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've played around with mapping for both and I prefer Goldsrc. Less insane decal and prop whoring and lower standards of quality to live up to. Plus I'm used to miscellaneous little tweaks in Goldsrc Hammer such as a circle pointer for the clip tool as opposed to Source Hammer's square one. :P

02-17-2009, 02:09 AM	#8
-=bingo-bango=- Spirit Studios Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Blue Team Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i was actually catching your drift up until that last post there

02-17-2009, 01:25 PM	#9
R22B Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Sniper / Defensive Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've mapped for TFC for so long that I still find myself using brushes to make stuff instead of importing models to do it... lol.

02-19-2009, 05:32 AM	#11
OneManArmy Ka-boom! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ukraine Class/Position: Demo, Solly, Pyro Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You can produce fantastic maps with a minimal number of props.

02-19-2009, 09:10 AM	#12
Doughnut-4\|4- Join Date: May 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I map because i love creating maps. It's like arranging a symphony.... balancing defense and offense... creating strong holds and weaknesses... designing architecture with argiculture... using sounds to tell a player where he is even in complete darkness... its magic. Every mapper knows when hes done a good job but having others enjoy the creation is 10 fold... and extremely rare in any video game. I switched to FF for mapping because the graphics were superior and the gameplay is comparable. I think the tools (hammer vs source) are about the same and really just a means to an end. Do it if you love it. I don't think any game truely dies unless it's replaced so long as there are a handful of players and servers. I still play pacman. One thing I struggle to find with Fortress is a server like the TFC capture the flag moderated pubs (where you play offense vs defense when numbers are under 10 and you communicate and use teamwork)... one probably exists but i mainly play during the off hours so im screwed.

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