ff_thecove (Update w/ a few more pics 7/11/07)

[NeonLight]

Indeed!

[Dr.Satan]

haha yeah, he definitely did! Haven't had anytime to work on this at all, mb tonight after work though. In the mean time, I'm considering making the map an I/D map and not an AvD, cause I read through this and it seems that was Zouave's original intention:

Originally Posted by Zouave

...Did you know, the reason the map wraps around is I had originally intended for it to continue playing starting over with CP1 again? So unlike other DB style maps the game would continue until time ran out. I ran out of free time and desire before that ever came to be though.

Also I'm thinking of making it a bit harder to cap, by probably adding some geometry you have to get into or around to cap on so if you have experience in AvD or I/D please give me a shout so I that when I do that, I don't jack everything up (pon that's your que).

[Pon]

I probably wouldn't make it an I/D map, personally. Thats mostly due to there being relativly few AvD maps compared to I/D, though, and not because it wouldn't suit the map .

CP2/3 could probably stand to be a bit more defensive in nature, I guess. All 3 CP's are prone to being easily capped by a decent long-range jump, doesn't matter so much for CP1 I guess.

Bucket caps help a bit, not convinced they're a perfect solution though. Not really any easy way aside from that to alter things without a major rework though, CP3 especially.

I'll think on it for a bit and get back to you

[Beetle]

Hey, I just came back to wish you luck. It wasn't so much that I overlooked anything, its just when FF originally came out there were like 5 servers. When it came time to reformat my hard drive, it just didn't occur to me that I should save it...I just wanted my computer to work again.

So, again, good luck and I'll be checking back in to see how you're doing with the map.

[Dr.Satan]

Originally Posted by Pon

I probably wouldn't make it an I/D map, personally. Thats mostly due to there being relativly few AvD maps compared to I/D, though, and not because it wouldn't suit the map .

well but what's the difference really? My thinking is that if it's a quick map and generally O ends up winning, what's wrong with making it I/D instead of AvD? Like is it a big deal that it doesn't end when all are capped? I think a big flaw with the map is that, as you say below, all 3 caps can be capped by a person with air control. So having that combined with it being AvD, make it kinda crappy b/c the map gets like 10 - 15min playtime and then it's off to 2fort or dustbowl or whatever. So I guess it boils down to, if it takes or can take 20 min to play the map AvD, then there would be no point in making it I/D, but if it's generally finished in 10/15min then I don't see any reason to not make it I/D.

I'm looking at a solution to making it a bit more defensive, on cp2 right now, and might even have one for 3, but I gotta bounce 'em off of you. I'm not too concerned with changing the geometry a bit, so long as it looks like thecove and the gameplay is better.

@ Beetle, thanks man and np, I'm just glad to not have to do all the geometry. Thankfully most of that stayed, I just gotta add in some detail and make it more playable.

[Pon]

As I said, it's not because the map wouldn't suit it. It very obviously would.

If there weren't a lack of AvD style maps, I'd agree with you 100%

Your probably right anyways, and I'm just being selfish wanting another AvD map over a ID one - my preference has always been for AvD maps over ID maps.

[zE]

avd ftw : P

[Firefox11]

Keep it AvD and people will eventually learn to cramp the CP with dispensers and pipes while the Soldiers push the jump points to prevent the Cap ;3 That's the main flaw with AvD, that you need even teams in terms of skill to make it last. Although Cove has an extra defense - killing the Flag carrier midjump gets the flag into the water, and it's a pain to get it out.

[thiz]

Problem with AvD is a good player can end the map while others are still trying to find the way out of the respawn, I prefer I/D (or something like AvD but teams switch once only, and have to beat the capture time from the other team, might work if the map is offence biased).

Biggest problem with I/D is you end up spending half the map in the defence building / waiting stage, if it's offence biased (asti).

[Crazycarl]

IvD is better because the action is non-stop.

There's no reason you can't make an AvD map that resets when the last cap is taken.

[Dr.Satan]

Originally Posted by Crazycarl

IvD is better because the action is non-stop.

There's no reason you can't make an AvD map that resets when the last cap is taken.

see that's my look on it. I don't really get the attraction to AvD cause I/D is the same thing only MORE of it. And yeah you could reset the AvD, but then it's not always fun to have to be O or D again either. That's also why I like I/D, cause I don't like to just play O or D, I swing both ways

[Pon]

Actually, I was going to write a big wall of text, but I'll save it for a more appropriate place... you have the map Satan, proceed as you see fit.

I'm not against making it an ID map, I'd just prefer AvD. Personal preference.