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Old 02-27-2010, 02:18 AM   #21
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I like the changes to bases, its nice to be able to get up top again.

Conc effect looks nice.
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Old 02-27-2010, 03:50 AM   #22
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:54 AM   #23
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Finally,sharking doesn't suck anymore.
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Old 02-27-2010, 10:01 AM   #24
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Sharking sounds really gay. Let's call it ducksurfing.
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Old 02-27-2010, 10:07 AM   #25
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:43 AM   #26
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any class can now see enemy health?

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Old 02-27-2010, 12:16 PM   #27
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Quit Neutering the Engineer

I like the fast game-play but people will stop playing if the game tilts any more in favor of the offensive classes. Scouts and Medics should be challenged by an Engineer and his gun. Taking away my EMP's makes me even weaker than I am now. As someone who loves being an Engi, I can no longer defend a base against 2 Scouts or 2 Medics and I just quit and go play something else. Put a Spy in the mix and why even try? If you don't stand a chance against the weakest classes why play defense at all? I've been in games recently with 20 players and I'm the only defender on both teams. The game has become all run and conc and the bases are left undefended.

You need to make playing defense more fun.

The Engi needs:

1) His EMPS back
2) 100% Health
3) A rail gun that is always fully charged

This game also really needs AUTOMATIC TEAM BALANCE and should consider AUTOMATIC CLASS BALANCE as well.

You guys should try being an Engineer for a few games.

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Old 02-27-2010, 12:22 PM   #28
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as an engineer, you can't expect to defend a base single handedly.

or as any class for that!

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Old 02-27-2010, 12:59 PM   #29
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played schtop last night and both teams got 5 caps in their round; so no... this update should not make it harder to def. Most of the time EMP's kill just as many, or more, of your own team as it kills the enemy :P
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Old 02-27-2010, 01:03 PM   #30
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played schtop last night and both teams got 5 caps in their round; so no... this update should not make it harder to def. Most of the time EMP's kill just as many, or more, of your own team as it kills the enemy :P
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Old 02-27-2010, 01:05 PM   #31
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Bah, no one fixed the dustbowl skybox huh? I was hoping that was an easy change.


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as an engineer, you can't expect to defend a base single handedly.

or as any class for that!
True, but why can you expect to kill a maintained lvl. 3 SG as any class except for maybe scout?
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Old 02-27-2010, 01:09 PM   #32
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you can't, i never said that. however if the engineer and his SG are alone, then of course it will be easier, regardless of changes we make.
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Old 02-27-2010, 01:13 PM   #33
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you can't, i never said that. however if the engineer and his SG are alone, then of course it will be easier, regardless of changes we make.
Actually you can in my experience. I'm not saying you said that, I'm saying that's the reality of FF today. Basically one engineer and his sg in TFC could hold back far more individuals than is ever possible in FF now.
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Actually you can in my experience. I'm not saying you said that, I'm saying that's the reality of FF today. Basically one engineer and his sg in TFC could hold back far more individuals than is ever possible in FF now.
That is exactly what I mean. No one is playing defence any more because it is not fun. The only way to dominate at FF now is for everoneon a team to play offence. I got bitched out this wekk for playing defence even though I was the only one defending the base. Even if the oposing team all go defence the run and gun offence will overpower the defence. This leads to too many lopsided games. The game is way less fun for Engi's and I'm going to end up leaving the community and the game over this. If the intent was to make Engi's stay with their guns it is way off. Should I have to kill myself on maps without grenade bags to get more grenades to defend my gun? Should I bind a key to suicide so I can play defence. That's not a lot of fun. I played for five minites this morning and left because I couldn't defend my gun anymore against Demo's with pipes I could no longer detonate.
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Old 02-27-2010, 04:01 PM   #35
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Puff Boy: It's really kind of ridiculous and has ruined a lot of AvD gameplay. The Hwguy nerf hasn't helped either. All I can guess is that the devs are focusing on more structured games where the engineer is supported (and thus the weak defense isn't a problem) and are in denial to the problem elsewhere and/or don't want to deal with it.

In TFC it was up to the engineer to keep his sg alive. In FF it's now up to the engineer, plus multiple teammates, AND it's less effective at stopping invaders. It's just a plan nerf across the board and lack of good D is what's prevented me from recommending FF to friends for a while now.

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Old 02-27-2010, 06:04 PM   #36
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Puff Boy: It's really kind of ridiculous and has ruined a lot of AvD gameplay. The Hwguy nerf hasn't helped either. All I can guess is that the devs are focusing on more structured games where the engineer is supported (and thus the weak defense isn't a problem) and are in denial to the problem elsewhere and/or don't want to deal with it.

In TFC it was up to the engineer to keep his sg alive. In FF it's now up to the engineer, plus multiple teammates, AND it's less effective at stopping invaders. It's just a plan nerf across the board and lack of good D is what's prevented me from recommending FF to friends for a while now.
This.

Also,
Edit: Actually, i phrased that wrong.
The delay before the demo actually starts reloading is too long

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Old 02-27-2010, 06:40 PM   #37
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I really love those wrinkles at the edge of the conc blast. This was deffo worth waiting for. Now, off to update the Linx surv and see if that also gets happy about this.
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:05 PM   #38
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Well done devs thanks! Appreciate the hard work.
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:14 AM   #39
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3) A rail gun that is always fully charged
What about a rail gun you could precharge and pull it out later?
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Old 02-28-2010, 01:59 AM   #40
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Sharking sounds really gay. Let's call it ducksurfing.
LMAO Water Strafing is better, quite obviously.


Anywho, I think this is my favorite update yet. Finally conc effect has been changed, but is there any way to customize my conc blasts yet?
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