Serious Class Replacement for the Pyro - Page 3

o_sizeablessonic · 07-08-2005, 06:51 PM

I would hate the pyro being replaced thats my favourie class.

Hey the Engineers SG does all the shooting for you! Lets take that out!

o_darknight · 07-08-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mervaka

high horse? sorry i was elevated on my enormous penis.

The mental images that creates are really quite disturbing. I suggest you seek medical help ASAP.

o_reincarnation · 07-09-2005, 10:16 PM

I hope this thread is a joke. With a solid combination of the pyro RL and the flame gun, many skilled players could own with the pyro, myself included. I use to solja all the time but I got bored of it after exhausting all the possible tricks one could do it.

Pubbing was so easy with a pyro. But using a pyro in a clan match was a really smart move. Clan matches were all about capturing the flag. If the D can reduce the health of the other team's offence, it makes their life so much easier.

For example:
(1) 2fort. Set up the pyro in the RR with an engy (or hwguy or soldier). The splash damage and napalm and what not could easily reduce scouts, medics and other assaulting classes' health a significant amount.

I could go on with alot of different maps. But, I felt the pyro was the most underappreciated / under utlitized classes (other than the spy).

o_ekim · 07-09-2005, 10:37 PM

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I hope this thread is a joke. With a solid combination of the pyro RL and the flame gun, many skilled players could own with the pyro, myself included.

I hope that is a joke. The pyro is useless in clanmatches in TFC, really. Stop deluding yourself.

o_war peanut · 07-10-2005, 12:25 AM

The pyro is my favorite class, but they are right, the pyro sucks ass, you can't kill shit with it. The pyro should be this;

>Short to Medium Range

>Good Speed

>Fair Amount of Damage (like 2x-3x at least what he does now)

>The ability to sweep multiple opponents with a quick moving flame jet. And different speeds of opponent ignition depending on what part of the flame is being used, or how long it is concentrated on them. Once ignited, the players have obscured vision, rapid health loss, and decrease in accuracy.

>Replace RL with 2ndary fire on FT, creating a large gas ball which explodes, just like RL rockets. It would work like the gravity gun grabbing orbs in the last part of the HL2 game, but the ball would get bigger and bigger until you launch it. Wait too long and it explodes damaging the pyro. I just can't see a guy hauling a RL, a FT, SGs and a bunch of nades and moving that fast.

> Retains Shottie and Napalm Grenades, and perhaps regular grenades are replaced with molotov cocktails, which explode like grenades, or a gas can with a stick of dynamite attached which he chucks up stairs and over walls

>Is used to cause chaos, confusion, misery and destruction. This would be one of the funnest class to play, if only we could.

The world of FF needs the pyro, he is like Gilligan to the HW Guy's Skipper in the world of high ordinance pyschopathic spazzes.
Also, perhaps the medic should also carry a fire extinguisher.

o_beavis · 07-10-2005, 02:10 AM

The pyro is great but he just needs to be tweaked.

1) His rockets need to go as fast as the soldiers - the rockets in TFC are ridiculously slow as of now.

2) His flamethrower needs to either have more damage or the maximum distance needs to be a bit more.

Other than that, great class

o_sizeablessonic · 07-10-2005, 02:45 AM

The dev team said in the thread about things that will definately NOT be included that one thing that definately wont be in FF will be the replacement of classes.

o_drywin · 07-10-2005, 03:22 AM

Plz dont replace the pyro. It was what I played when I ran in TFC. The pyro was a great class, he just took more skill than the others.

o_flyingcow · 07-10-2005, 08:23 AM

why would a pyro need resistance against other pyros? thats just retarded. the pyro and the demoman should have resistance against explosions.

o_sigma · 07-10-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyingcow

why would a pyro need resistance against other pyros? thats just retarded. the pyro and the demoman should have resistance against explosions.

First a pyro should be resistant to flame in general because thats his trade (we don't want the pyro hurting himself if he uses his flame thrower longer than 3 seconds do we?).

A demo should be resistant to explosives because thats his trade.

Why should a pyro be resistant to explosions? Flame retardant stuff and heat resistant stuff is usually made out of long insulating fibers (these long fibers can usually cause cancer too). These fibers take heat well, but when comes to other stuff they tend to crumble more easily than other materials... For example, fiber glass can easily be turned into a powder, it doesn't provide much protection against anything except temperature differences. In general many heat resistant things are more fragile in fact.

Most ionic substances are great insulators (they are usually clear/white too). The very electro attraction between the crystal which make transfer of electrons and heat very difficult also makes it shatter easily should that lattice become misaligned. Ceramics are usually worse. I don't know for certain about all Asbestos, but I think most of it is based much like the ionic crystals.

Aside from that... The blast armor is one of the demoman's specials... If you split it amongst other classes than his special becomes less so. The explosion resistance would make the pyro more of an anti-soldier and anti-demoman. I think the pyro needs to become more of a quick choatic class. Think of him as more of a scout only slower and with more armor and life. The pyro doesn't need to last longer in fights, but should have more tactical tricks (a smoke bomb would be perfect for him).

**mervaka** · 07-10-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mervaka

the way i see it, the pyro needs to retain his ability to mame and cause havoc, but have the option to kill when he wants to. swap the shotty for a supershotty and this should be achieved :)

may i also say that i support the ideas for incendriary grenades and unlit gas secondary fire thingy :x

o_war peanut · 07-10-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigma

First a pyro should be resistant to flame in general because thats his trade (we don't want the pyro hurting himself if he uses his flame thrower longer than 3 seconds do we?).

A demo should be resistant to explosives because thats his trade.

You are a man with a super powered brain.

My sediments (i am into grit and sludge) are 'EXACTLY' and '!!!'. These classes should have immunity from their own specific ability. Just like the medic is immune to disease, and the snake handler class is immune to the rattlesnake bites (this character was taken out in quake TF beta).

**mervaka** · 07-10-2005, 02:16 PM

i wouldnt say immunity's the best way forward, else noone would have any way of defeating the other in a 1 on 1 firefight. significantly decreased i can agree with though.

also the pyro needs the ability from postal 2 to piss on things, to put out napalm grenades and teammates who've been set alight

o_weetbix · 07-10-2005, 02:23 PM

oo yeh good idea... fire extinguisher

o_drtom · 07-10-2005, 02:26 PM

pyro should be a MAN OF FIRE liek in fantastic 4

o_war peanut · 07-10-2005, 09:47 PM

Pyro should be a camp homosexual with elton john glasses, a feather boa, and hot pants. To get the whole 'flamer' theme in there.

No.

I'm Sorry.

o_zsilver_fox · 07-11-2005, 12:51 AM

Does anyone here listen to the devs?

They've stated multiple times that THEY ARE KEEPING ALL TEN CLASSES! THEY'RE JUST BALANCING THEM OUT!

Yes I'm in a bad mood.

o_sizeablessonic · 07-11-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zSilver_Fox

Does anyone here listen to the devs?

They've stated multiple times that THEY ARE KEEPING ALL TEN CLASSES! THEY'RE JUST BALANCING THEM OUT!

Yes I'm in a bad mood.

I pointed that out. [that they were keeping all ten classes.

o_grom · 07-11-2005, 03:08 AM

well why dont we do this

1. make snipers immune to hs
2. make HWguys immune to ac cannons
3. make the spy immune to knife shots(this also includes crobars)
4. make scout... well get destroyed in 1 shot no matter what
5. make soldger the ultimate fighting machine with EVERY gun in game

sounds lame, jsut like making the pyro immune to explosions AND fire.
hes a pyro with that flame retardent thing, so hes immune to fire. it should stay that way

make the pyros flamethrower shoot further, with a lil more dmg
make his rockets fly just as fast as the sollys
make him have a uber-shotgun instead of the lame shotgun

o_grom · 07-11-2005, 03:14 AM

o yea just for you who dont read.....

defrag writes:I'm just making this post to stop people posting the same things over and over again as we're sure they're not going to feature in FF.

4. Addition / Removal of Classes: It's not a proper TF mod without 9 (10 with civilian) classes.

so now new "shock trooper"

07-08-2005, 06:51 PM	#41
o_sizeablessonic Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewere in Nevada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I would hate the pyro being replaced thats my favourie class. Hey the Engineers SG does all the shooting for you! Lets take that out!

07-09-2005, 10:16 PM	#43
o_reincarnation Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I hope this thread is a joke. With a solid combination of the pyro RL and the flame gun, many skilled players could own with the pyro, myself included. I use to solja all the time but I got bored of it after exhausting all the possible tricks one could do it. Pubbing was so easy with a pyro. But using a pyro in a clan match was a really smart move. Clan matches were all about capturing the flag. If the D can reduce the health of the other team's offence, it makes their life so much easier. For example: (1) 2fort. Set up the pyro in the RR with an engy (or hwguy or soldier). The splash damage and napalm and what not could easily reduce scouts, medics and other assaulting classes' health a significant amount. I could go on with alot of different maps. But, I felt the pyro was the most underappreciated / under utlitized classes (other than the spy).

07-10-2005, 12:25 AM	#45
o_war peanut Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The pyro is my favorite class, but they are right, the pyro sucks ass, you can't kill shit with it. The pyro should be this; >Short to Medium Range >Good Speed >Fair Amount of Damage (like 2x-3x at least what he does now) >The ability to sweep multiple opponents with a quick moving flame jet. And different speeds of opponent ignition depending on what part of the flame is being used, or how long it is concentrated on them. Once ignited, the players have obscured vision, rapid health loss, and decrease in accuracy. >Replace RL with 2ndary fire on FT, creating a large gas ball which explodes, just like RL rockets. It would work like the gravity gun grabbing orbs in the last part of the HL2 game, but the ball would get bigger and bigger until you launch it. Wait too long and it explodes damaging the pyro. I just can't see a guy hauling a RL, a FT, SGs and a bunch of nades and moving that fast. > Retains Shottie and Napalm Grenades, and perhaps regular grenades are replaced with molotov cocktails, which explode like grenades, or a gas can with a stick of dynamite attached which he chucks up stairs and over walls >Is used to cause chaos, confusion, misery and destruction. This would be one of the funnest class to play, if only we could. The world of FF needs the pyro, he is like Gilligan to the HW Guy's Skipper in the world of high ordinance pyschopathic spazzes. Also, perhaps the medic should also carry a fire extinguisher.

07-10-2005, 02:10 AM	#46
o_beavis Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The pyro is great but he just needs to be tweaked. 1) His rockets need to go as fast as the soldiers - the rockets in TFC are ridiculously slow as of now. 2) His flamethrower needs to either have more damage or the maximum distance needs to be a bit more. Other than that, great class

07-10-2005, 02:45 AM	#47
o_sizeablessonic Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewere in Nevada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The dev team said in the thread about things that will definately NOT be included that one thing that definately wont be in FF will be the replacement of classes.

07-10-2005, 03:22 AM	#48
o_drywin Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Plz dont replace the pyro. It was what I played when I ran in TFC. The pyro was a great class, he just took more skill than the others.

07-10-2005, 08:23 AM	#49
o_flyingcow Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	why would a pyro need resistance against other pyros? thats just retarded. the pyro and the demoman should have resistance against explosions.

07-10-2005, 02:16 PM	#53
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	i wouldnt say immunity's the best way forward, else noone would have any way of defeating the other in a 1 on 1 firefight. significantly decreased i can agree with though. also the pyro needs the ability from postal 2 to piss on things, to put out napalm grenades and teammates who've been set alight

07-10-2005, 02:23 PM	#54
o_weetbix Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	oo yeh good idea... fire extinguisher

07-10-2005, 02:26 PM	#55
o_drtom Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	pyro should be a MAN OF FIRE liek in fantastic 4

07-10-2005, 09:47 PM	#56
o_war peanut Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Pyro should be a camp homosexual with elton john glasses, a feather boa, and hot pants. To get the whole 'flamer' theme in there. No. I'm Sorry.

07-11-2005, 12:51 AM	#57
o_zsilver_fox Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Does anyone here listen to the devs? They've stated multiple times that THEY ARE KEEPING ALL TEN CLASSES! THEY'RE JUST BALANCING THEM OUT! Yes I'm in a bad mood.

07-11-2005, 03:08 AM	#59
o_grom Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	well why dont we do this 1. make snipers immune to hs 2. make HWguys immune to ac cannons 3. make the spy immune to knife shots(this also includes crobars) 4. make scout... well get destroyed in 1 shot no matter what 5. make soldger the ultimate fighting machine with EVERY gun in game sounds lame, jsut like making the pyro immune to explosions AND fire. hes a pyro with that flame retardent thing, so hes immune to fire. it should stay that way make the pyros flamethrower shoot further, with a lil more dmg make his rockets fly just as fast as the sollys make him have a uber-shotgun instead of the lame shotgun

07-11-2005, 03:14 AM	#60
o_grom Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	o yea just for you who dont read..... defrag writes:I'm just making this post to stop people posting the same things over and over again as we're sure they're not going to feature in FF. 4. Addition / Removal of Classes: It's not a proper TF mod without 9 (10 with civilian) classes. so now new "shock trooper"

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