02-13-2010, 12:59 AM | #1 |
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Well, we all know that universal healthcare is one of the biggest differences in opinion shared between modern conservatives and liberals. I want to start this thread to attempt to understand the mindset of those who do not see the same way as I do so I want to ask this question.
I agree that in principle there is something wrong if someone else fucks up and expects other people to bail them out (example - I eat McDonalds all my life and then say that the USA is screwed up because tax dollars don't pay for surgery on my clogged arteries). My question is, even if someone is responsible for their own situation, would you still not want to help them out of it? I am not an expert on Christianity by any stretch, but the impression I get is that a large majority of peopel opposing the anti-universal healthcare proposal are republican christians so I want to bring this up. I ask this this because putting all other things aside, would the Jesus that history writes of really be of the opinion that if someone is in a self-inflicted crisis that we need not feel obliged (or at least compelled) to help them out? I certainly become annoyed knowing that as a Canadian I am paying for surgeries and medications to cure people of ailments they could have easily avoided, but when I consider the alternative - which is, that if my tax dollars and those of other people had not gone towards their treatment that a portion of those people would have died. I guess this boils down to being a compassion thing. In order to consider yourself a truly good person, how much do you have to care about other people. At what point is our obligation as caring, loving people, stopped? Given our current situation, would you choose more money for yourself and more people dying (irrespective of whether or not it is your fault), or to give up some of your income (or in my country's case keep it as it is) and know that your are helping some idiot somewhere, even if they don't appreciate it. I guess I asked more than one question in that but regardless, I would like to see how people feel about these. Please don't respond with a Sarah Palin-esque vague response that sums up all the a-z's of your beliefs, I am only interested in the specific questions and your feelings about them at the moment. |
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Did Jesus tell people they should help those in need? Clearly yes. Did Jesus advocate taking from others against their will to help someone else, absolutely not. Quote:
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This is a constitutional matter.
That's all there really is to it. If a State wants to do it, that's fantastic. If the Federal Government wants to do it, that's a different matter.
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I wrote this for my blog back in September, at the prime of the Health Care debate, so this was written before a lot of the data and statistics came out (Or at least the credible data), so it's not all entirely accurate/valid anymore, but my basic point stands. The problem with Health Care is efficiency, and the reason our system is inefficient is because of regulations that make up the entire industry.
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^That being said, there are definitely some real problems in our health care system, no doubt about that. It just saddens me that real reform is being overlooked.
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I agree except for the states part. While I believe that authority to do so rests with the states its my hope that they stay out of it. Govt that governs least governs best covers my position pretty well. I don't believe that any govt is capable of staying within it's defined limits.
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ymh kinda bailed on this...
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Pardon my absence but I was in South Carolina with Habitat for Humanity over my reading week.
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I have heard of charity, but I remain highly skeptical that something as disorganized as charity could address medical concerns nationwide without bias or massive inefficiency. Don't you have any concerns about the fact that private healthcare essentially puts people's health into the world of business? The last thing I would want is to throw health into the same arena as other peoples desire to make and save money. |
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On top of my already huge list of reasons to oppose this healthcare bill (Posted above), here's another one. This healthcare bill will hurt the people who need it the most;
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The idea is to force employers to establish a minimum acceptable amount of coverage (Through the same channels Government typically does--through force and coercion). Anyways, by doing so, the Government has effectively created an incentive to NOT hire lower-class workers. Unintended consequences of Government 101.
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I found this socialism argument funny, i bet u guys dont even know what socialism means, and sayng that healthcare for all is socialism then all developed country's except USA are communist / socialist lol..
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That's why they come here for medical care...
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And that's why socialist-bashing people like Palin go to Canada for their healthcare. A funny irony.
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At least we don't have to call the cops for a glass of water while in non socialized medical care, must be +s and -s to both sides. LOL
How you liking the change your ordered uBeR?
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THAT'S his defense? Something that happened in the 60s? BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHA
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