2fort suggestion

o_scorpio · 01-31-2005, 06:56 AM

I personally thing 2fort needs to be a bit bigger, more like the ETF 2fort, it needs to be more spaced/bigger rooms, I think this would give the offense a decent chance and pulling some caps.

o_sobe green · 01-31-2005, 08:03 AM

To me thats what made the TFC 2fort, 2fort. It has some hard choke points. If you can't conc well, you'll have a hard time getting past heavy defense. It is a challenge in both pubs and matches. If you give it room and eliminate the choke points you just get a crazy cap fest...maybe. I never played what your talking about so I may just be insane...most likely am.

o_anthraxium[wu] · 01-31-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SoBe Green

To me thats what made the TFC 2fort, 2fort. It has some hard choke points. If you can't conc well, you'll have a hard time getting past heavy defense. It is a challenge in both pubs and matches. If you give it room and eliminate the choke points you just get a crazy cap fest...maybe. I never played what your talking about so I may just be insane...most likely am.

i feel the same way ... keep it basically the same ... dont expand it

o_scorpio · 01-31-2005, 08:21 AM

There isn't more than one choke point, the map itself is a choke point, everywhere you, you're fucked, and even if you're good with concs they dont do much good in the inclosure.

o_sobe green · 01-31-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

There isn't more than one choke point, the map itself is a choke point, everywhere you, you're fucked, and even if you're good with concs they dont do much good in the inclosure.

Exactly what I mean, its hard. Changing 2fort too much would be like changing de_dust in CS. Too much of a change and it just isn't the same map. If it would be possible to change it without taking away the playability of it I'm for it. But I'm afraid it'd probably change it too much if you gave more room to conc than you have now.

o_johnnyp · 01-31-2005, 08:54 AM

I think it is easy to cap on it, if offense cant do it, then the opponents' def is just better
however I prefer 2fort for 2kfort4, just add no-build for spawns:]

o_morgz · 01-31-2005, 03:21 PM

I quite like attackin on 2fort, i think a minor increase to the supply and gren bags return time wud make it more fun to attack (o and the removal of teleports which do there best to cripple 2fort)

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Originally Posted by SoBe Green

To me thats what made the TFC 2fort, 2fort. It has some hard choke points. If you can't conc well, you'll have a hard time getting past heavy defense. It is a challenge in both pubs and matches. If you give it room and eliminate the choke points you just get a crazy cap fest...maybe. I never played what your talking about so I may just be insane...most likely am.

on public servers its either a n00b fest or everyone goes D and u have 5-3 setups and everyone quits.

o_kungfujv · 01-31-2005, 03:28 PM

way off topic but...how do the teleporters cripple? if used on O the D should take pleasure in destroying their teleporter exit. if used on D just destroy the exit as you run by it or something...i nvr saw it as that crippling in a game..

o_ekim · 01-31-2005, 03:33 PM

Wrong forum :P

One change I would suggest would be making the water route much faster than it is. The only time it's currently used it when stuck in the midmap water. If it provided a much faster route to bypass the front door and get to the ramp room area it might actually get used in matches to bypass spam at front door or get behind defenders if the flag is being held at front door. As it is, you're always better just going front door / balc rather than wasting fifteen/twenty seconds(the avergae time of an attack run?) going through the water route.

Currently, water route is useless. Why include something useless in a map? Either fix it to make it useful, or get rid of it and put ladders to get out of midmap water.

o_bullurine · 02-01-2005, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ekiM

Wrong forum :P

One change I would suggest would be making the water route much faster than it is. The only time it's currently used it when stuck in the midmap water. If it provided a much faster route to bypass the front door and get to the ramp room area it might actually get used in matches to bypass spam at front door or get behind defenders if the flag is being held at front door. As it is, you're always better just going front door / balc rather than wasting fifteen/twenty seconds(the avergae time of an attack run?) going through the water route.

Currently, water route is useless. Why include something useless in a map? Either fix it to make it useful, or get rid of it and put ladders to get out of midmap water.

ladder i think would be the best idea for the midmap water. 80% of the time i get conced into the water or some other way so i have to go ALL the way down the route just to get out.

o_sobe green · 02-01-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BullUrine

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Originally Posted by ekiM

Wrong forum :P

One change I would suggest would be making the water route much faster than it is. The only time it's currently used it when stuck in the midmap water. If it provided a much faster route to bypass the front door and get to the ramp room area it might actually get used in matches to bypass spam at front door or get behind defenders if the flag is being held at front door. As it is, you're always better just going front door / balc rather than wasting fifteen/twenty seconds(the avergae time of an attack run?) going through the water route.

Currently, water route is useless. Why include something useless in a map? Either fix it to make it useful, or get rid of it and put ladders to get out of midmap water.

ladder i think would be the best idea for the midmap water. 80% of the time i get conced into the water or some other way so i have to go ALL the way down the route just to get out.

Even worse when you fall in and have an HW jump in with you.

I'm all for a ladder.

o_bullurine · 02-01-2005, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SoBe Green

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Originally Posted by BullUrine

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Originally Posted by ekiM

Wrong forum :P

One change I would suggest would be making the water route much faster than it is. The only time it's currently used it when stuck in the midmap water. If it provided a much faster route to bypass the front door and get to the ramp room area it might actually get used in matches to bypass spam at front door or get behind defenders if the flag is being held at front door. As it is, you're always better just going front door / balc rather than wasting fifteen/twenty seconds(the avergae time of an attack run?) going through the water route.

Currently, water route is useless. Why include something useless in a map? Either fix it to make it useful, or get rid of it and put ladders to get out of midmap water.

ladder i think would be the best idea for the midmap water. 80% of the time i get conced into the water or some other way so i have to go ALL the way down the route just to get out.

Even worse when you fall in and have an HW jump in with you.

I'm all for a ladder.

once they see someone fall in its like shotting fish in a barrel

o_vertical · 02-01-2005, 03:11 AM

I also hate the water, I think ladders in the water would be nice, but people would just same the top waiting for you to climb up, and as much spam as there can be on that bridge, I think the best idea (assuming you change anything at all) would be to re-route the water to a closer location (perhaps the room to the right of the entrance?) it would be alot closer and allow you to bypass the spam area, and at the same time only lead you right past the front door so not to really mess with the gameplay. Anywho, I do dislike the way the water is currently, and if you keep it how it is a ladder would be nice. (But cutting off the underwater route and then adding a ladder wouldn't be very good imo)

o_bullurine · 02-01-2005, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vertical

I also hate the water, I think ladders in the water would be nice, but people would just same the top waiting for you to climb up, and as much spam as there can be on that bridge, I think the best idea (assuming you change anything at all) would be to re-route the water to a closer location (perhaps the room to the right of the entrance?) it would be alot closer and allow you to bypass the spam area, and at the same time only lead you right past the front door so not to really mess with the gameplay. Anywho, I do dislike the way the water is currently, and if you keep it how it is a ladder would be nice. (But cutting off the underwater route and then adding a ladder wouldn't be very good imo)

2fort is THE team fortress map. so many people play this map and if it gets chanegd too much people may not like it. i say keep it almost exactly the same, just add the ladders for us poor victims of concs, rockets, and our own stupidity :P

o_vertical · 02-01-2005, 03:34 AM

Yeah I agree, and even though I hate the water (just because if you actually take the water route, it takes a long time to get back up to the fort) I don't have a "problem" with it because I can just rocket jump back out of it. And if I have too low of health, I just kill myself

I don't care about my score normally, I'm just there to help the team cap the flag.

o_thefinn · 02-01-2005, 01:51 PM

Please don't change 2Fort one single bit. The map is perfect as it is.

o_ohcanep · 02-01-2005, 02:20 PM

The water route is useless indeed, that's why I nowadays end up looking at my own nade in the pool, if I don't have concs or something else to fly up to the battlements with.

o_zsleek7 · 02-02-2005, 12:36 AM

This might be a bit old school, but I'd like to be able to rj/conc/pj over those damn barriers again like pre 1.5 tfc. The barriers that I am referring to are the ones that are on the sides of the battleelements that block your vision when you exit from the respawns.

o_damage · 02-02-2005, 02:14 AM

I used to love standing on top of those barrier things and killing those that came out of the respawn :P

o_elvis2049 · 02-02-2005, 05:49 PM

my opinion about 2fort (in clanstyle) is that ist 2 narrow.
almost noplace te conc or rus past a def.
so the wins of that map is mostly 10-0
any other score is just when 1 of the other clans is way better.
so making it a little wider makes it just a bit more esyer evaiding the spam......
dont get me wrong with making the whole map allot bigger,
just the spiral about half wider and the lift acces (bottom) half would make a great difference

01-31-2005, 06:56 AM	#1
o_scorpio Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	2fort suggestion I personally thing 2fort needs to be a bit bigger, more like the ETF 2fort, it needs to be more spaced/bigger rooms, I think this would give the offense a decent chance and pulling some caps.

01-31-2005, 08:03 AM	#2
o_sobe green Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	To me thats what made the TFC 2fort, 2fort. It has some hard choke points. If you can't conc well, you'll have a hard time getting past heavy defense. It is a challenge in both pubs and matches. If you give it room and eliminate the choke points you just get a crazy cap fest...maybe. I never played what your talking about so I may just be insane...most likely am.

01-31-2005, 08:21 AM	#4
o_scorpio Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There isn't more than one choke point, the map itself is a choke point, everywhere you, you're fucked, and even if you're good with concs they dont do much good in the inclosure.

01-31-2005, 08:54 AM	#6
o_johnnyp Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Estonia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think it is easy to cap on it, if offense cant do it, then the opponents' def is just better however I prefer 2fort for 2kfort4, just add no-build for spawns:]

01-31-2005, 03:28 PM	#8
o_kungfujv Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	way off topic but...how do the teleporters cripple? if used on O the D should take pleasure in destroying their teleporter exit. if used on D just destroy the exit as you run by it or something...i nvr saw it as that crippling in a game..

01-31-2005, 03:33 PM	#9
o_ekim Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Wrong forum :P One change I would suggest would be making the water route much faster than it is. The only time it's currently used it when stuck in the midmap water. If it provided a much faster route to bypass the front door and get to the ramp room area it might actually get used in matches to bypass spam at front door or get behind defenders if the flag is being held at front door. As it is, you're always better just going front door / balc rather than wasting fifteen/twenty seconds(the avergae time of an attack run?) going through the water route. Currently, water route is useless. Why include something useless in a map? Either fix it to make it useful, or get rid of it and put ladders to get out of midmap water.

02-01-2005, 03:11 AM	#13
o_vertical Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA, KY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I also hate the water, I think ladders in the water would be nice, but people would just same the top waiting for you to climb up, and as much spam as there can be on that bridge, I think the best idea (assuming you change anything at all) would be to re-route the water to a closer location (perhaps the room to the right of the entrance?) it would be alot closer and allow you to bypass the spam area, and at the same time only lead you right past the front door so not to really mess with the gameplay. Anywho, I do dislike the way the water is currently, and if you keep it how it is a ladder would be nice. (But cutting off the underwater route and then adding a ladder wouldn't be very good imo)

02-01-2005, 03:34 AM	#15
o_vertical Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA, KY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah I agree, and even though I hate the water (just because if you actually take the water route, it takes a long time to get back up to the fort) I don't have a "problem" with it because I can just rocket jump back out of it. And if I have too low of health, I just kill myself I don't care about my score normally, I'm just there to help the team cap the flag.

02-01-2005, 01:51 PM	#16
o_thefinn Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Please don't change 2Fort one single bit. The map is perfect as it is.

02-01-2005, 02:20 PM	#17
o_ohcanep Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The water route is useless indeed, that's why I nowadays end up looking at my own nade in the pool, if I don't have concs or something else to fly up to the battlements with.

02-02-2005, 12:36 AM	#18
o_zsleek7 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Modesto, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	This might be a bit old school, but I'd like to be able to rj/conc/pj over those damn barriers again like pre 1.5 tfc. The barriers that I am referring to are the ones that are on the sides of the battleelements that block your vision when you exit from the respawns.

02-02-2005, 02:14 AM	#19
o_damage Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I used to love standing on top of those barrier things and killing those that came out of the respawn :P

02-02-2005, 05:49 PM	#20
o_elvis2049 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	my opinion about 2fort (in clanstyle) is that ist 2 narrow. almost noplace te conc or rus past a def. so the wins of that map is mostly 10-0 any other score is just when 1 of the other clans is way better. so making it a little wider makes it just a bit more esyer evaiding the spam...... dont get me wrong with making the whole map allot bigger, just the spiral about half wider and the lift acces (bottom) half would make a great difference

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