Would it be possible to make a NeoTF server side mod for this? - Page 2

Industrial · 10-10-2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Wub_Cheesy_Poofs

P.S. I don't care about the opinions of the nubs

You get off your high horse (I'm more imagining a big platypus or somethnig actually).

It doesn't matter where the ideas come from or if they had them first. They made FF and everything is still balanced.
NeoTF severely unbalanced TFC, and while it was all new and fun (for like, a week) most things in it really sucked. Hover boards, super powered engy sentry guns next to a normal one, fucking choppers and cages. wtf. no.

I'm not holding you back but I am predicting it will be as whack as neoTF was. and the majority of people don't like that.

Credge · 10-10-2007, 01:58 PM

Yes, seriously. Neo TF was absolutely terrible. Just plain bad. For every decent idea there were about 10 terrible ones. Just terrible.

Bad.

Dospac · 10-10-2007, 05:07 PM

NeoTF sucks!

BinaryLife · 10-10-2007, 07:12 PM

Sucked*

Right? it's sorta over now?

But for the record, I loved it. It was different. I didn't find it un balanced because I really could be any class and have a good time. I never found any straight normal class to be impossible to play against. The only thing I think they could have worked on was implimenting less ideas.

But still I like it quite a bit.
(This may be because I was a forum mod and tester/server admin for a little while... but still me likes them)

DarK_TaO · 10-10-2007, 11:28 PM

I undesrtand NeoTF took some hard woork to do. But I still hate it.

Luckily they aren't going to do it for FF. If you want to do something of your own, learn how!.

Surrealistik · 10-11-2007, 01:55 AM

NeoTF was hilarious fun. It saddens me to see so many knock it senselessly. As for accusations of imbalance many (but not all admittedly) of the features had counters. For example, the powerful soldier remotes (my personal favourite) were summarily thwarted by SAM sites. MGs were defeated by remotes, snarks and the ring of shadows. The ring of shadows was in turn stifled by trip and landmines, etc...

Many of the features for me revived a game that had become all too familiar and dull, and I'm certain that I'm far from the only person this is true for. I earnestly regret that Spanner has chosen not to create a sequel for this mod.

Dr.Uudge · 10-11-2007, 03:36 AM

yep, neoTF...i had much fun on those servers. I think girlpower server had something similar called adminop. something like that. I dunno if its a good idea to integrate it into the FF distribution. But as a 3rd party mod for the FF, that might be a good direction, and also help the transition over to FF for fun mod players. I remember the pyro being the flag capper instead of the medic in neoTF.

Skanky Butterpuss · 10-11-2007, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Wub_Cheesy_Poofs

blah blah blah rant rave etc.

P.S. I don't care about the opinions of the nubs, however, if I see
anyone from the FF Staff (be it lowly forum mod nobodies or higher)
bash Neo, I will personally chew your ass out.
A little professional courtesy going both ways. Promise.

thats professional courtesy?

Hawk Eye · 10-11-2007, 03:49 AM

I honestly played NeoTF quite a bit back in the day.. it had some really neat, and fresh features.

I just don't want to see too many servers with altered gameplay just yet.. FF is still a baby in terms of public play.. I'd rather it got older before it begins that radical Teenager stage.

DrEvil · 10-11-2007, 04:08 AM

Enjoyed the multiguns myself. Nice change of pace around the time I was started to get bored of TFC. Even supported NeoTF with Foxbot. Good gadget fun. Nobody can deny they've thought about the potential of additional buildables and such. Some of it went too far imo, but it was still a fun new twist on the game.

greenday5494 · 10-11-2007, 04:21 AM

i think FF needs the most help. it need more players, badly. but if you are planning to had nades and infection, etc to TF2, more power to ya!

I_Wub_Cheesy_Poofs · 10-13-2007, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skanky Butterpuss

thats professional courtesy?

From me, yes. Hence the facetious rant quote thingies.
Considering all the infantile ranting about Neo on these forums,
(2 different MODs started by BillDoor and all that) I think
I was quite restrained. Don't you agree?

Oh, and I forgot one: Like the Scout Scanner, the Spy Invisibility
feature never made it from Quake TF to TFC, until BillDoor...yada.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dospac

NeoTF sucks!

It's people like you that make me glad that there are BOTs.
Sometimes I prefer the artificial intelligence of all BOTS,
to the zero intelligence of some Humans (or Nubs).

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrEvil

Some of it went too far imo.

LOL, that was and still is the point of some of it, pushing limits.

Hell, no one else even imagined that someone could make a BOT
do a conc/rocket jump in TFC. Until someone I know figured that out.
Pushing limits...sometimes its a good thing.

BTW, Heya Dr. E, long time. Where the Hell is RedFox anyway?

Scuzzy · 10-13-2007, 01:15 PM

I think balance in NeoTF came down to the way the server could be setup. The Old Timers Clan ran NeoTF as our main server for 2 years, that server was #1 in the world for NeoTF for pretty much that entire time. We kept it extremely limited, but allowed the added fun for every class. We weren't one of those places that engineers could make 10 multiguns, only 1, etc. We occasionally tweeked it, like adding more armor for the user of a jetpack on pyro, etc. It allowed us to fix some of the balance issues Valve created and really add a good element to the game.

I have found the elements of NeoTF that were incorporated into FF very cool (which I recognized prior to Spanner's pointing them out). I think people who didn't like NeoTF are somelike the people who may not care for bhopping... can't do it right so you don't like it?

Scuzzy

Credge · 10-13-2007, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Wub_Cheesy_Poofs

Oh, and I forgot one: Like the Scout Scanner, the Spy Invisibility
feature never made it from Quake TF to TFC, until BillDoor...yada.

I've been reading this sentence for a while and can't figure out who would give a crap.

Invisibility has been a game mechanic since D&D. Scout Scanner has been used by the worlds military forces for years before TF was even a sparkle in anyones eye.

Who gives a shit?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuzzy

I have found the elements of NeoTF that were incorporated into FF very cool (which I recognized prior to Spanner's pointing them out). I think people who didn't like NeoTF are somelike the people who may not care for bhopping... can't do it right so you don't like it?

Scuzzy

Hardly. It's the same reason I don't like TF2. The changes they made to the game are terrible.

Dospac · 10-13-2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Wub_Cheesy_Poofs

It's people like you that make me glad that there are BOTs.
Sometimes I prefer the artificial intelligence of all BOTS,
to the zero intelligence of some Humans (or Nubs).

NeoTF = Rubbish. PERIOD . !

(just baiting you after that post you made :P)

PorkChopVII · 10-13-2007, 08:46 PM

Enjoyed servers that had NeoTF restrictions, NeoTF added hella features which you had a choice of what ot use, or how much of something a player can use. [o-t] and Axls had it down for balance and everyone can enjoy NeoTF, people couldnt abuse an ability because of hte limitations. And as was mentioned earlier, there is a counter to everything ability, like can steal enemys MG, or disable grenades if in range of the pod. Demoman had trip mines, if you were paying attention can evade them before the player responded to det them. I do not get why people have to be disrespecting, i know some are obviously kidding(not talkin about that). If you dont like something dont have to put it down, still enjoy that fact that everyone is not you, there will be somet hat agree but also respect the game, because for one was a lot of hard work, and was playable and enjoyable. Most of hte people that didnt like it was the ones that can do more than run and shoot, so they get frustraited at havin extra abilities that they cannot grasp or learn to control. The mod wasnt for everyone, doesnt mean have to disrespect it. Yes granted was a lil frustraited myself at some points, but instead of runnin i got even. All it takes really. I was one of those people who was a SaberDisk Bitch with the demoman, sometimes was cheap but fun and could still be took down before capping.

Now im rambling, ramble ramble ramble.

lamphrey · 10-14-2007, 02:08 AM

OMG please don't even talk like theres going to be anything like neo for ff ar tf2. Biggest mistake ever. Ruined the game.

10-18-2007, 02:53 AM

Quote:

However, long after BillDoor left FF, the spy "sabotage" feature was
put in FF. I like this feature very much, in Neo we call it MultiGun Capture.
Where the hell did you think that scavenger Voogru got the idea for this
feature in his ExtenTF MOD?
MG Capture applied to SentryGuns, I swear, the guy has never had an original
thought in his head. Of course his contribution to FF...you guessed it:
Sentrygun Capture. Sorry I mean "sabotage".

Oh my god, not this again.

I implemented the sentry gun stealing feature of the spy before I joined the FF team. I was COMPLETELY unaware this feature was going to be put in FF.

1. It was NOT my idea to put "capturable sentryguns" in FF.
2. I did not write the code in FF for the sabatoge. So you are wrong again.

Quit acusing me of stealing everything, like you NeoTF guys like to do so much.

And as far as stealing the MG capture for sentryguns, MG capture is completely different then "sentrygun capture" as you call it.

First of all, did NeoTF have the ability to capture sentryguns?

No.

Can any class capture a sentrygun by simply touching it?

No, the spy had to be sneaky and catch the sentrygun when the owner was not paying attention to it. This was a lot more skillfull then accidently touching an enemy MG because one of their grenades launched you towards an inert MG.

But yeah, I probably stole the code to switch sentrygun owners from NeoTF too.

Even though NeoTF couldnt do that.

I'm glad I use subversion.

HAVE A NICE DAY.

Oh, and Spanner. You connected to a server that was running ExtenTF 38 times, and spent 6.4 hours playing on that server.

That is, if you are STEAM_0:1:100830.

So obviously, you probably familiarized yourself with my sentrygun stuff, and you probably know for a fact that it's not the same as the "MG capture", but you claim it is for some reason.

I confirmed this by reversing the SteamID to a friend id:

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197960467389

Ihmhi · 10-18-2007, 03:26 AM

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

Cosides · 10-18-2007, 10:14 AM

Voogru WINS !!!!!!

10-13-2007, 01:15 PM	#33
Scuzzy The Old Timers Clan D&A Member Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Server: 206.217.134.170:27016 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I think balance in NeoTF came down to the way the server could be setup. The Old Timers Clan ran NeoTF as our main server for 2 years, that server was #1 in the world for NeoTF for pretty much that entire time. We kept it extremely limited, but allowed the added fun for every class. We weren't one of those places that engineers could make 10 multiguns, only 1, etc. We occasionally tweeked it, like adding more armor for the user of a jetpack on pyro, etc. It allowed us to fix some of the balance issues Valve created and really add a good element to the game. I have found the elements of NeoTF that were incorporated into FF very cool (which I recognized prior to Spanner's pointing them out). I think people who didn't like NeoTF are somelike the people who may not care for bhopping... can't do it right so you don't like it? Scuzzy __________________ "Player Quality, not Quantity, is what we strive for." - The LLama Wrangler "A clan is defined by the nature of it's enemies. - The Llama Wrangler

10-18-2007, 03:26 AM	#39
Ihmhi [AE] 0112 Ihmhi SJB Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, NJ, United States Class/Position: A little bit o' everythin' Gametype: Also a little bit o' everythin' Affiliations: [AE] Asseater, SJB Straight Jacket Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! __________________ Support FF: Anime: The Thread: Reloaded The one and only anime thread on these here forums. Select the pistol, and then, select your horse.

10-10-2007, 01:58 PM	#22
Credge FF Loremaster Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	Yes, seriously. Neo TF was absolutely terrible. Just plain bad. For every decent idea there were about 10 terrible ones. Just terrible. Bad.

10-10-2007, 05:07 PM	#23
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	NeoTF sucks!

10-10-2007, 07:12 PM	#24
BinaryLife Posts: 1 bajillion D&A Member Wiki Team Join Date: Mar 2007 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Sucked* Right? it's sorta over now? But for the record, I loved it. It was different. I didn't find it un balanced because I really could be any class and have a good time. I never found any straight normal class to be impossible to play against. The only thing I think they could have worked on was implimenting less ideas. But still I like it quite a bit. (This may be because I was a forum mod and tester/server admin for a little while... but still me likes them)

10-10-2007, 11:28 PM	#25
DarK_TaO Mapper ^^ Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: yes (: Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I undesrtand NeoTF took some hard woork to do. But I still hate it. Luckily they aren't going to do it for FF. If you want to do something of your own, learn how!.

10-11-2007, 01:55 AM	#26
Surrealistik Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	NeoTF was hilarious fun. It saddens me to see so many knock it senselessly. As for accusations of imbalance many (but not all admittedly) of the features had counters. For example, the powerful soldier remotes (my personal favourite) were summarily thwarted by SAM sites. MGs were defeated by remotes, snarks and the ring of shadows. The ring of shadows was in turn stifled by trip and landmines, etc... Many of the features for me revived a game that had become all too familiar and dull, and I'm certain that I'm far from the only person this is true for. I earnestly regret that Spanner has chosen not to create a sequel for this mod.

10-11-2007, 03:36 AM	#27
Dr.Uudge in-game as Dr.Ainpipe Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yep, neoTF...i had much fun on those servers. I think girlpower server had something similar called adminop. something like that. I dunno if its a good idea to integrate it into the FF distribution. But as a 3rd party mod for the FF, that might be a good direction, and also help the transition over to FF for fun mod players. I remember the pyro being the flag capper instead of the medic in neoTF.

10-11-2007, 03:49 AM	#29
Hawk Eye Who the fuck is this guy? D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: O Preferred Gametype: AvD Affiliations: [AE] Asseaters Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I honestly played NeoTF quite a bit back in the day.. it had some really neat, and fresh features. I just don't want to see too many servers with altered gameplay just yet.. FF is still a baby in terms of public play.. I'd rather it got older before it begins that radical Teenager stage.

10-11-2007, 04:08 AM	#30
DrEvil Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Enjoyed the multiguns myself. Nice change of pace around the time I was started to get bored of TFC. Even supported NeoTF with Foxbot. Good gadget fun. Nobody can deny they've thought about the potential of additional buildables and such. Some of it went too far imo, but it was still a fun new twist on the game.

10-11-2007, 04:21 AM	#31
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	i think FF needs the most help. it need more players, badly. but if you are planning to had nades and infection, etc to TF2, more power to ya!

10-13-2007, 08:46 PM	#36
PorkChopVII The "other" white meat.... Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Enjoyed servers that had NeoTF restrictions, NeoTF added hella features which you had a choice of what ot use, or how much of something a player can use. [o-t] and Axls had it down for balance and everyone can enjoy NeoTF, people couldnt abuse an ability because of hte limitations. And as was mentioned earlier, there is a counter to everything ability, like can steal enemys MG, or disable grenades if in range of the pod. Demoman had trip mines, if you were paying attention can evade them before the player responded to det them. I do not get why people have to be disrespecting, i know some are obviously kidding(not talkin about that). If you dont like something dont have to put it down, still enjoy that fact that everyone is not you, there will be somet hat agree but also respect the game, because for one was a lot of hard work, and was playable and enjoyable. Most of hte people that didnt like it was the ones that can do more than run and shoot, so they get frustraited at havin extra abilities that they cannot grasp or learn to control. The mod wasnt for everyone, doesnt mean have to disrespect it. Yes granted was a lil frustraited myself at some points, but instead of runnin i got even. All it takes really. I was one of those people who was a SaberDisk Bitch with the demoman, sometimes was cheap but fun and could still be took down before capping. Now im rambling, ramble ramble ramble.

10-14-2007, 02:08 AM	#37
lamphrey Lead Developer of MPW Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	OMG please don't even talk like theres going to be anything like neo for ff ar tf2. Biggest mistake ever. Ruined the game.

10-18-2007, 10:14 AM	#40
Cosides Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Voogru WINS !!!!!!

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