Have you had any response from Valve about this mod?

o_e-dog-tpf- · 01-17-2005, 10:51 PM

I think this mod is looking great from the first models, and I'm VERY excited to see something like this take shape. However my major concern is that it will get shut down by valve because of legal reasons. Have you heard anything about this at all? Do you have any indication that they are ok with it. I truely hope the best for this mod, and I will definately be playing it if/when it gets released.

o_qbaler · 01-17-2005, 11:30 PM

no word from valve has ever been given. valve is deaed to the community prety much man... it sux.. and valve will probably not say or care at all... And legaly I am prety sure FF is a legal as it seems the fortress idea is not like copyrighted or something ... i dunno what im saying i aint no lawyer.. PEACE!

Defrag · 01-18-2005, 12:01 AM

Valve has never shut down a fortress MOD on a rival engine, so I doubt they will shut down a fortress MOD on their own engine. Whichever product people choose to play, they win regardless.

o_qbaler · 01-18-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Defrag

Whichever product people choose to play, they win regardless.

How do they win when ppl play ETF? or any other tf on another engine?

damn you defrag! (felt fitting)

o_anshinritsumai · 01-18-2005, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by qbaler

no word from valve has ever been given. valve is deaed to the community prety much man... it sux.. and valve will probably not say or care at all... And legaly I am prety sure FF is a legal as it seems the fortress idea is not like copyrighted or something ... i dunno what im saying i aint no lawyer.. PEACE!

If the fortress franchise has got some legality to it, I'd say it's under the GPL (General Public Liscence) if any at all...

THere are millions of Fortress mods for many games. VALVe alone doesn't have the right to shut down a fortress mod, for as long as it doesn't impose on their name "Team Fortress Classic." Team Fortress of Fortress for that matter, aren't copyrighted material.

o_e-dog-tpf- · 01-18-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Defrag

Whichever product people choose to play, they win regardless.

That's a very good point...

And I just thought of another reason why they shouldn't be able to touch this. TF came out as a Quake mod, & Valve just re-created it... so they wouldn't have rights in the first place. Gosh, I feel dumb for not having thought about that before. Sorry for wasting everyone's time... this Mod is good to go.

GOOD LUCK TEAM!!!

Defrag · 01-18-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by qbaler

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Originally Posted by Defrag

Whichever product people choose to play, they win regardless.

How do they win when ppl play ETF? or any other tf on another engine?

I was referring to the question of the thread poster regarding the source engine. I meant whichever version of the mod they play (FF/TFC:S) valve wins regardless as their product is needed to play it.

Defrag · 01-18-2005, 12:21 AM

Oh and Valve bought the rights to QWTF then hired the original developers as staffers for development of TFC/TF2. Valve does own the rights to TF gameplay afaik.

o_caboose-tpf- · 01-18-2005, 05:15 AM

If it were a direct port then maybe it would cause problems, but I've played similar games to TFC in real life, Valve can't copywrite capture the flag with paintball guns.

Even the name is legal, Fortress Forever is far enough from Team Fortress. FF may have been inspired by TFC, but NS (natural-selection) was inspired by the Alien movies and Starcraft, neither Blizzard of Universal Pictures has sued the NS devs because it's not a direct copy of their ideas.

I'm seeing no problems with this at all.

BTW, hi qballer

o_sutch · 01-18-2005, 09:37 AM

What ever happened to the original creators of TF anyway? They were called TFS and were based out of Australia I think. Are they still working for Valve? If they are, it's disappointing that they allowed Valve to neglect TFC for so long. First taking a backseat to CS and then DoD. It's like we're the red-headed step child of the Valve family. So many balance problems and bugs that were never addressed. When they do add something, they freaking add teleporters which the community never seemed to ask for in the first place. I know they must be real busy working on TF2 but still..... if they don't care about TFC anymore, they should've at least handed off the reigns to people who did. I'm glad they aren't making TFC Source because it's better for the community this way. The FF guys still seem to care about TF and will hopefully give it the proper treatment it deserves.

o_eat · 01-18-2005, 11:22 AM

We had toyed with the name Team Fortress Forever but dropped the team part. We were slightly aware Valve could get arsey about the name but Fortress Forever also sounds a bit better!

o_afx · 01-18-2005, 11:33 AM

Im sure i read on the etf or q3f forums that the q3f creators did have some contact with doug lombardi from valve about their mod and they were asked not to use the "team fortress" name and also to change some of the class names.

I dont know if this is a problem or not but its worth bearing in mind.

o_spud · 01-18-2005, 11:39 AM

arf, lo afx and eat.

Lots of oldies here I see.

bc/dw be coming back for this mod eh?

o_gritty · 01-18-2005, 11:47 AM

Be good to see more old names from those 2 clans, i remember playing DW in particular when i was in BIA, wow that musta been season3/4 of uktfcl, wonder how many seasons theres been now.....

o and BC pimped some of our members... eat you remember a really mouthy bloke called westie who joined you, funny bugger to listen to on rw

o_storm · 01-18-2005, 02:41 PM

get back in your cage spud!

o_spud · 01-18-2005, 03:17 PM

Basty!

*sniffs*

Oh and I remember westie, played against him a few times. Was aite :P

o_eat · 01-18-2005, 06:10 PM

Hey Spud! You heard from dimps anytime since he moved to cardiff? Seem to have lost touch with him.

o_e-dog-tpf- · 01-18-2005, 06:13 PM

Hey! Go hijack another thread guys!

o_afx · 01-18-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by eat

Hey Spud! You heard from dimps anytime since he moved to cardiff? Seem to have lost touch with him.

Check the bc forum eat, the scouse gimp has been posting on there, and he was on irc the other day too.

o_spud · 01-18-2005, 11:16 PM

Before anyone gets confused, I am [SCW] spud and not LBU| spud.

LBU spud was a good friend of mine. We chatted a lot and we would show each other new TF tricks, think I learnt bunnyhop first from him lol.
Lost contact with him when he left gaming in search of a real life but would be ace to see him again.

01-17-2005, 10:51 PM	#1
o_e-dog-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Have you had any response from Valve about this mod? I think this mod is looking great from the first models, and I'm VERY excited to see something like this take shape. However my major concern is that it will get shut down by valve because of legal reasons. Have you heard anything about this at all? Do you have any indication that they are ok with it. I truely hope the best for this mod, and I will definately be playing it if/when it gets released.

01-18-2005, 12:01 AM	#3
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Valve has never shut down a fortress MOD on a rival engine, so I doubt they will shut down a fortress MOD on their own engine. Whichever product people choose to play, they win regardless. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

01-18-2005, 12:21 AM	#8
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Oh and Valve bought the rights to QWTF then hired the original developers as staffers for development of TFC/TF2. Valve does own the rights to TF gameplay afaik. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

01-17-2005, 11:30 PM	#2
o_qbaler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	no word from valve has ever been given. valve is deaed to the community prety much man... it sux.. and valve will probably not say or care at all... And legaly I am prety sure FF is a legal as it seems the fortress idea is not like copyrighted or something ... i dunno what im saying i aint no lawyer.. PEACE!

01-18-2005, 05:15 AM	#9
o_caboose-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If it were a direct port then maybe it would cause problems, but I've played similar games to TFC in real life, Valve can't copywrite capture the flag with paintball guns. Even the name is legal, Fortress Forever is far enough from Team Fortress. FF may have been inspired by TFC, but NS (natural-selection) was inspired by the Alien movies and Starcraft, neither Blizzard of Universal Pictures has sued the NS devs because it's not a direct copy of their ideas. I'm seeing no problems with this at all. BTW, hi qballer

01-18-2005, 09:37 AM	#10
o_sutch Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What ever happened to the original creators of TF anyway? They were called TFS and were based out of Australia I think. Are they still working for Valve? If they are, it's disappointing that they allowed Valve to neglect TFC for so long. First taking a backseat to CS and then DoD. It's like we're the red-headed step child of the Valve family. So many balance problems and bugs that were never addressed. When they do add something, they freaking add teleporters which the community never seemed to ask for in the first place. I know they must be real busy working on TF2 but still..... if they don't care about TFC anymore, they should've at least handed off the reigns to people who did. I'm glad they aren't making TFC Source because it's better for the community this way. The FF guys still seem to care about TF and will hopefully give it the proper treatment it deserves.

01-18-2005, 11:22 AM	#11
o_eat Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	We had toyed with the name Team Fortress Forever but dropped the team part. We were slightly aware Valve could get arsey about the name but Fortress Forever also sounds a bit better!

01-18-2005, 11:33 AM	#12
o_afx Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Walsall,UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Im sure i read on the etf or q3f forums that the q3f creators did have some contact with doug lombardi from valve about their mod and they were asked not to use the "team fortress" name and also to change some of the class names. I dont know if this is a problem or not but its worth bearing in mind.

01-18-2005, 11:39 AM	#13
o_spud Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	arf, lo afx and eat. Lots of oldies here I see. bc/dw be coming back for this mod eh?

01-18-2005, 11:47 AM	#14
o_gritty Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stevenage, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Be good to see more old names from those 2 clans, i remember playing DW in particular when i was in BIA, wow that musta been season3/4 of uktfcl, wonder how many seasons theres been now..... o and BC pimped some of our members... eat you remember a really mouthy bloke called westie who joined you, funny bugger to listen to on rw

01-18-2005, 02:41 PM	#15
o_storm Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SCOTLAND (above England) Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	get back in your cage spud!

01-18-2005, 03:17 PM	#16
o_spud Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Basty! sniffs Oh and I remember westie, played against him a few times. Was aite :P

01-18-2005, 06:10 PM	#17
o_eat Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hey Spud! You heard from dimps anytime since he moved to cardiff? Seem to have lost touch with him.

01-18-2005, 06:13 PM	#18
o_e-dog-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hey! Go hijack another thread guys!

01-18-2005, 11:16 PM	#20
o_spud Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Before anyone gets confused, I am [SCW] spud and not LBU\| spud. LBU spud was a good friend of mine. We chatted a lot and we would show each other new TF tricks, think I learnt bunnyhop first from him lol. Lost contact with him when he left gaming in search of a real life but would be ace to see him again.

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