Modeling for Hammer?

Dr.Satan · 03-24-2008, 06:08 PM

Ok so here is my dilemma I need to make a few models for my map...a chalkboard, a roof, and some lights.

I figure it can't be too difficult, but honestly I have no idea. So my ? is, is it tough to learn or will it take me a while (more then a week or two) to get it down or is it moderately difficult and worth my time to study and know?

Also if I were to go about learning this where should I start? Are there any good sites I can reference and / or tutorials I should look at?

What programs do I need...etc.

Any help is appreciated.

greenday5494 · 03-24-2008, 07:59 PM

i would start by working with XSI, valve used it, and it's designed for use with Source. the links are right in the SDK. it takes time to learn it, like Hammer. BTW, im pretty sure there's some chalk Board models out there

GeoKill-----> · 03-24-2008, 08:00 PM

Doesn't TF2 have a chalkboard? Steal it, reskin it

Dr.Satan · 03-24-2008, 08:45 PM

yeah but chalkboard isn't the only thing I'm looking for...I mean if I don't have to model it sweet...don't really need to learn something new now, cause I get all A.D.D. with shit I do online anyway!

But I also need a ceiling similar to this(click) or this(click) with relatively the same lighting fixtures (another model?).

Also I have to admit that I haven't really looked at the models already there so this might be in vain...I'll look tonight (if I get time to map) and see what I can't dig up.

greenday5494 · 03-24-2008, 08:51 PM

you're in luck. theirs some like that already in HL2. if your PoS Model viewer isnt broken (in Hammer, not the program) search light, and look around. It's like called Industrial Bell or something. I used it in my project extensivly.

Dr.Satan · 03-24-2008, 09:36 PM

any idea if there is something like that roof?

greenday5494 · 03-24-2008, 09:40 PM

not a model im pretty sure, but it's very possible with lots of time and effort. at least time. create it using brushes, duh! just make sure they are all func_details or else your optimization would go out the window

Dr.Satan · 03-24-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

not a model im pretty sure, but it's very possible with lots of time and effort. at least time. create it using brushes, duh! just make sure they are all func_details or else your optimization would go out the window

yeah everything is going to end up func_details that can...but I thought about this already and think a model would be better then brushes...first off although I don't think I would hit it, there is a brush limit, I would still have to make a texture for it which wouldn't look as realistic as a model, and it will take forever!

**Crazycarl** · 03-24-2008, 10:28 PM

If you just want to make static props (I think you do) It's pretty simple. You just need a modelling program that can export to .smd. Try Milkshape 3D. I tried it out years ago and it was easy to learn. http://chumbalum.swissquake.ch/ms3d/index.html

There are more powerful programs like 3dsmax or maya or xsi but the first time you open them you will see a million options and buttons and you'll probably feel like closing it again. Whatever program you use there should be lessons on how to use it included or on the web.

The only things you need to know that are HL2 specific are how to compile the model (and what to pu tin a .qc file) and how to do a collision mesh. Use tutorials out there or just ask me. i like explaining stuff

Dr.Satan · 03-24-2008, 10:31 PM

yeah I have a copy of 3DSM 9 on my computer, but it won't open for some reason...

But cool as long as it's not super hard to learn I'm alright doing it...just don't wanna take like 3mo to do it and never release my map...

Maybe I can learn and finish up my other project while the concmap gets put on hold.

Mr. Happy · 03-25-2008, 12:57 AM

Dont use a model for that, use alphamapped (transparent) textures. 1-4 unit thick brush with the material on both side and a generic metal texture on the edges. There's already some in HL2, search the materials for "truss"

Dr.Satan · 03-25-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

Dont use a model for that, use alphamapped (transparent) textures. 1-4 unit thick brush with the material on both side and a generic metal texture on the edges. There's already some in HL2, search the materials for "truss"

dude yes that is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you!

03-24-2008, 06:08 PM	#1
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	Modeling for Hammer? Ok so here is my dilemma I need to make a few models for my map...a chalkboard, a roof, and some lights. I figure it can't be too difficult, but honestly I have no idea. So my ? is, is it tough to learn or will it take me a while (more then a week or two) to get it down or is it moderately difficult and worth my time to study and know? Also if I were to go about learning this where should I start? Are there any good sites I can reference and / or tutorials I should look at? What programs do I need...etc. Any help is appreciated. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

03-24-2008, 07:59 PM	#2
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	i would start by working with XSI, valve used it, and it's designed for use with Source. the links are right in the SDK. it takes time to learn it, like Hammer. BTW, im pretty sure there's some chalk Board models out there __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

03-24-2008, 08:00 PM	#3
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03-24-2008, 08:45 PM	#4
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	yeah but chalkboard isn't the only thing I'm looking for...I mean if I don't have to model it sweet...don't really need to learn something new now, cause I get all A.D.D. with shit I do online anyway! But I also need a ceiling similar to this(click) or this(click) with relatively the same lighting fixtures (another model?). Also I have to admit that I haven't really looked at the models already there so this might be in vain...I'll look tonight (if I get time to map) and see what I can't dig up. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

03-24-2008, 08:51 PM	#5
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	you're in luck. theirs some like that already in HL2. if your PoS Model viewer isnt broken (in Hammer, not the program) search light, and look around. It's like called Industrial Bell or something. I used it in my project extensivly. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

03-24-2008, 09:36 PM	#6
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	any idea if there is something like that roof? __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

03-24-2008, 09:40 PM	#7
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	not a model im pretty sure, but it's very possible with lots of time and effort. at least time. create it using brushes, duh! just make sure they are all func_details or else your optimization would go out the window __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

03-24-2008, 10:28 PM	#9
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	If you just want to make static props (I think you do) It's pretty simple. You just need a modelling program that can export to .smd. Try Milkshape 3D. I tried it out years ago and it was easy to learn. http://chumbalum.swissquake.ch/ms3d/index.html There are more powerful programs like 3dsmax or maya or xsi but the first time you open them you will see a million options and buttons and you'll probably feel like closing it again. Whatever program you use there should be lessons on how to use it included or on the web. The only things you need to know that are HL2 specific are how to compile the model (and what to pu tin a .qc file) and how to do a collision mesh. Use tutorials out there or just ask me. i like explaining stuff __________________ Support FF:

03-24-2008, 10:31 PM	#10
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	yeah I have a copy of 3DSM 9 on my computer, but it won't open for some reason... But cool as long as it's not super hard to learn I'm alright doing it...just don't wanna take like 3mo to do it and never release my map... Maybe I can learn and finish up my other project while the concmap gets put on hold. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

03-25-2008, 12:57 AM	#11
Mr. Happy FF LOL Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Dont use a model for that, use alphamapped (transparent) textures. 1-4 unit thick brush with the material on both side and a generic metal texture on the edges. There's already some in HL2, search the materials for "truss"

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