Should Bunny Hop stay or leave FF? - Page 2

Hawk Eye · 12-28-2007, 12:58 AM

...I'm staying outta this shit.

SmellyCat · 12-28-2007, 01:03 AM

Sadly, lack of bunnyhop was a large reason in why I moved away from FF - it was just so, useless? Gliding off concs is fun, however the problem for me was that only 2 classes have them.

(others reasons included lack of interest in FPSers, time and a kinda bad PC).

I say, faster bunnyhopping please!

TwoTired · 12-28-2007, 09:17 AM

Bhop must stay :<.

You want bhopless gameplay?

Go play any of those new, ultra-supa-dupa-realistic graphics, war-oriented, slow-moving FPSes that are popular right now.

s0undch4s3r · 12-28-2007, 12:05 PM

So the elitists have voted...26 so far.

When FF was first released, there were over 100+ "22 player" servers PACKED with players. That's 100 X 22 = 2200 people+ playing the game at one time.

It's too bad that those 2200+ players can't be here to vote..would be interesting to hear what they have to say. Not just the BHOP but other
things.

BinaryLife · 12-28-2007, 01:13 PM

Bunny hop doesn't provide a poor advantage. It's a scape goat for the lack of players and has nothing to do with it.

It existed in a greater detail in TFC and that was an amazing mod. So few people were against it, an apparently not against it enough to take the 30 seconds it took to learn how to use it effectively. It's survived the test of time.

People played it and liked it by the thousands. I think brining it up now should be done in more honest of ways. You of course can not like it, or not think that it's a good idea. But that doesn't mean it should be removed from the game. I think it was cause more harm than good if that were the case.

Ihmhi · 12-28-2007, 01:18 PM

Right now the advantage is so indiscernable that it does not matter either way.

When BHOP is back in and it actually matters, then this discussion will matter.

BHOP example, back when it was 120/125:

I was a Scout running with the flag. Skanky Butterpuss was a Pyro. Although a Scout can outrun a Pyro, he caught up to me enough and burninated me because he could BHOP and I could not.

Let us see how it works out when the cap goes up moar.

DarkeN_HellspawN · 12-28-2007, 01:29 PM

Those damn and pesky pyros have really been enhanced. Those fire bombs or what not spread all over the damn place and now I have to duck from them and sometimes pass them up on O if moving to the flag. Do you know how many times I would pass up a pyro in TFC on my way to the flag.....NONE!!!!! Those burning machines can really decrease my health or kill me. To all of the Pyros out there!!!!!!! I have deep rooted issues with you.

dh

nodnarb · 12-28-2007, 03:01 PM

I can't bhop. I voted to keep it.

StatisticZ · 12-28-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innoc

I think you deal with it. All of us were n00bs at one point in time. If anything the old timers should foster a helpful attitude towards the n00bs. Help them learn. Personally I never bhopped. Glide hop only.

He makes the best point in this thread IMO, we were all noobs and stuck with it. I remember I used to get so pissed off when people would bhop by me, I still kinda do since there are some people that can but STILL. lol

Etzell · 12-28-2007, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0undch4s3r

So the elitists have voted...26 so far.

When FF was first released, there were over 100+ "22 player" servers PACKED with players. That's 100 X 22 = 2200 people+ playing the game at one time.

It's too bad that those 2200+ players can't be here to vote..would be interesting to hear what they have to say. Not just the BHOP but other
things.

Why did you start a poll, if you knew only the "elitists" were going to vote? Why not just start a: "I hate bhop because I don't know how it works and don't understand that there's not a speed advantage in FF, I just see it and hate" thread?

Chaotic Llama · 12-28-2007, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0undch4s3r

So the elitists have voted...26 so far.

Probably the same 26 left playing...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk Eye

...I'm staying outta this shit.

Good point.. here just killing time

s0undch4s3r · 12-28-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaotic Llama

Probably the same 26 left playing...

point taken

GeoKill-----> · 12-29-2007, 01:38 AM

I didn't bhop in TFC, in FF I do. Its way easier than it was in TFC and when someone bitches about it, then add them to your friend list and teach them. I have teach 3 people already how to bhop and if we all do our part then this is a not a problem. Also being an Elistist has nothing to do with this. Maybe in TFC and past TF games it was but not in FF.

Soundchaser is you are having a problem bhoping, then I'll be glad to teach you ;D and this goes to anyone else.

Paft · 12-29-2007, 01:46 AM

Like it's been said everyone is naff at first, you must learn. And what has also been said it it takes 10 seconds to look up. There's no excuses. Even in GoldSource mods.

SmellyCat · 12-29-2007, 02:52 AM

What bunnyhop? For the love of God will someone enlighten me?

MegaTurtle · 12-29-2007, 03:37 AM

Bunnyhopping is so amazingly simple in Fortress Forever that my 8 year old brother can do it easily with less than an hour of practice. They practically made it bunnyhop FOR you. I suppose if people have problems with it, we could implement Arx's tuts into the game as little videos that play in the corner on some sort of training map. I doubt this would happen but, it would definately help some people.

Innoc · 12-29-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaTurtle

Bunnyhopping is so amazingly simple in Fortress Forever that my 8 year old brother can do it easily with less than an hour of practice. They practically made it bunnyhop FOR you. I suppose if people have problems with it, we could implement Arx's tuts into the game as little videos that play in the corner on some sort of training map. I doubt this would happen but, it would definately help some people.

That's due to Dospac's influence. I heard a rumor that they had to simplify it for his benefit...and the game was never the same again...

Iggy · 12-29-2007, 11:21 PM

I can't BHop worth a damn, and I vote to keep it in. Of course, I also vote to bring back the spread of infection, making SGs vulnerable to 2 frag nades, and a few other things everyone else ignores. So much for BHop.

Hired-Gun · 12-29-2007, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk Eye

Bhop is also one of the classic aspects of Team Fortress that any older player would hope to look for.

Cant agree with you,i have played TFC since the year 2000 and i have always hated exploit like BHop,if this game gonna survive amongst the new players you have to take out the b-hop tone down the medic and soldier.
Maybe bring back the class system to look like TFC.
Anyway good luck...

**Crazycarl** · 12-31-2007, 08:09 PM

*Waves to Hired-gun* How ya been?

OP has to define BHOP before I will vote in the poll. The bounciness and air control of FF is really fun. I like trimping down inclines.

However, IMHO major speed gains should be dependant on weapons and map geometry. No one should be able to break class speed rules any time they want. Why? because it's not tactically interesting.

If I'm trying to defend against a constant bhopper, I know he'll be going by at high speed, wherever I meet him. Boring. If he's just using concs to speed around, That's a limited resource and I can try and meet him where he is NOT concing.

Nobody complains about the front door launcher on Aardvark. That's not because anyone can use it, it's because it's limited to that one spot and you can plan around it. If people could launch themselves around like that any time they wanted, it would change the game, in a very bland way.

View Poll Results: Should FF keep or get rid of BHOP?
KEEP BHOP CUZ it is the l337	61	83.56%
GET rid of BHOP CUZ it's not fair against nubs.	12	16.44%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

12-28-2007, 01:18 PM	#26
Ihmhi [AE] 0112 Ihmhi SJB Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, NJ, United States Class/Position: A little bit o' everythin' Gametype: Also a little bit o' everythin' Affiliations: [AE] Asseater, SJB Straight Jacket Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Right now the advantage is so indiscernable that it does not matter either way. When BHOP is back in and it actually matters, then this discussion will matter. BHOP example, back when it was 120/125: I was a Scout running with the flag. Skanky Butterpuss was a Pyro. Although a Scout can outrun a Pyro, he caught up to me enough and burninated me because he could BHOP and I could not. Let us see how it works out when the cap goes up moar. __________________ Support FF: Anime: The Thread: Reloaded The one and only anime thread on these here forums. Select the pistol, and then, select your horse.

12-28-2007, 01:29 PM	#27
DarkeN_HellspawN FORUM ADM!N Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Sun Class/Position: O/D D/O - For life or death Gametype: 2fort Spectating Llama GD Ex. TALOS Sniper Affiliations: FF God, The Yellow Brotherhood Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	Thats another thing I had on my list.......... Those damn and pesky pyros have really been enhanced. Those fire bombs or what not spread all over the damn place and now I have to duck from them and sometimes pass them up on O if moving to the flag. Do you know how many times I would pass up a pyro in TFC on my way to the flag.....NONE!!!!! Those burning machines can really decrease my health or kill me. To all of the Pyros out there!!!!!!! I have deep rooted issues with you. dh __________________ If you come across a great Yellow entity offering a yellow pill, take it. Its sunshine will grow in you stomach like a bowl of Sea Monkeys - The Great Yellow Book Page 8765 Ch. 194 -Section 3

12-29-2007, 01:38 AM	#33
GeoKill-----> Community Member Server Owner Beta Tester Forum Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawthorne, California Class/Position: Soldier/Spy/Scout Gametype: AvD Affiliations: :e0:Eternal Order Leader Posts Rated Helpful 12 Times	I didn't bhop in TFC, in FF I do. Its way easier than it was in TFC and when someone bitches about it, then add them to your friend list and teach them. I have teach 3 people already how to bhop and if we all do our part then this is a not a problem. Also being an Elistist has nothing to do with this. Maybe in TFC and past TF games it was but not in FF. Soundchaser is you are having a problem bhoping, then I'll be glad to teach you ;D and this goes to anyone else. __________________ Fortress-Forever Guides All Your Mapping Needs :e0: Will live on Forever Support FF:

12-28-2007, 12:58 AM	#21
Hawk Eye Who the fuck is this guy? D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: O Preferred Gametype: AvD Affiliations: [AE] Asseaters Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	...I'm staying outta this shit.

12-28-2007, 01:03 AM	#22
SmellyCat Darknight Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Sadly, lack of bunnyhop was a large reason in why I moved away from FF - it was just so, useless? Gliding off concs is fun, however the problem for me was that only 2 classes have them. (others reasons included lack of interest in FPSers, time and a kinda bad PC). I say, faster bunnyhopping please!

12-28-2007, 09:17 AM	#23
TwoTired Lurker Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Bhop must stay :<. You want bhopless gameplay? Go play any of those new, ultra-supa-dupa-realistic graphics, war-oriented, slow-moving FPSes that are popular right now.

12-28-2007, 12:05 PM	#24
s0undch4s3r The guy you love to hate. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Under your bed Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	So the elitists have voted...26 so far. When FF was first released, there were over 100+ "22 player" servers PACKED with players. That's 100 X 22 = 2200 people+ playing the game at one time. It's too bad that those 2200+ players can't be here to vote..would be interesting to hear what they have to say. Not just the BHOP but other things.

12-28-2007, 01:13 PM	#25
BinaryLife Posts: 1 bajillion D&A Member Wiki Team Join Date: Mar 2007 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Bunny hop doesn't provide a poor advantage. It's a scape goat for the lack of players and has nothing to do with it. It existed in a greater detail in TFC and that was an amazing mod. So few people were against it, an apparently not against it enough to take the 30 seconds it took to learn how to use it effectively. It's survived the test of time. People played it and liked it by the thousands. I think brining it up now should be done in more honest of ways. You of course can not like it, or not think that it's a good idea. But that doesn't mean it should be removed from the game. I think it was cause more harm than good if that were the case.

12-28-2007, 03:01 PM	#28
nodnarb Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	I can't bhop. I voted to keep it.

12-29-2007, 01:46 AM	#34
Paft Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK - http://forums.fortress-forever.com Class/Position: [O] Med Gametype: CTF/Skills Posts Rated Helpful 67 Times	Like it's been said everyone is naff at first, you must learn. And what has also been said it it takes 10 seconds to look up. There's no excuses. Even in GoldSource mods.

12-29-2007, 02:52 AM	#35
SmellyCat Darknight Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What bunnyhop? For the love of God will someone enlighten me?

12-29-2007, 03:37 AM	#36
MegaTurtle Wiki Standards Team Wiki Team Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Bunnyhopping is so amazingly simple in Fortress Forever that my 8 year old brother can do it easily with less than an hour of practice. They practically made it bunnyhop FOR you. I suppose if people have problems with it, we could implement Arx's tuts into the game as little videos that play in the corner on some sort of training map. I doubt this would happen but, it would definately help some people.

12-31-2007, 08:09 PM	#40
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	Waves to Hired-gun How ya been? OP has to define BHOP before I will vote in the poll. The bounciness and air control of FF is really fun. I like trimping down inclines. However, IMHO major speed gains should be dependant on weapons and map geometry. No one should be able to break class speed rules any time they want. Why? because it's not tactically interesting. If I'm trying to defend against a constant bhopper, I know he'll be going by at high speed, wherever I meet him. Boring. If he's just using concs to speed around, That's a limited resource and I can try and meet him where he is NOT concing. Nobody complains about the front door launcher on Aardvark. That's not because anyone can use it, it's because it's limited to that one spot and you can plan around it. If people could launch themselves around like that any time they wanted, it would change the game, in a very bland way.

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