FF compared to cs 1.6 or CSS.

o_valor · 12-13-2005, 07:02 PM

I played TFC for quite awhile and I also got competively involved with CS 1.6. I was wondering if FF will rise to the level of what CS 1.6 is now. This being international play at CPL's and in leagues that require a buy-in to play. I've always wanted TFC to be like CS in the way that you can make some money playing it at the highest level. E-sports has evolved and I want to know if FF is determined to jump back up to HL's staple game.

<3 valor

o_mescalito · 12-13-2005, 07:29 PM

what the FF team got to do with it? they'r just makin a mod.

try the CPL forums.

o_sid6.7 · 12-13-2005, 07:40 PM

TFC was at some CPLs, but unless something dramatic happens games like CS and Halo will always be the main draw. The only way I see it happening is if the mod turns out absolutely amazing, Valve buys it and advertises the shit out of it (like they did CS), and alot of people fall in love with the gameplay TF players have known for years.

trepid_jesse · 12-13-2005, 07:47 PM

I would delete your post for you, but I'm just a lowly dev member and not a super forum leader.

There's a conspiracy.

Hey su'pa, why don't ya use your su'pa pow'as?

o_sobe green · 12-13-2005, 07:48 PM

It is very possible. The problem is few games are so simple yet fun. All of these new games come out that require 10+ people per team in order for it to be "fun". It becomes alot harder for people to play a game online when they need 10 or so people all online at once. It will work well on LAN so at CPL they are able to do this. CS 1.6 and CS:S are so simple in gameplay that it does become easy to play them online and on LAN. You have one game type that is generally played on maps that people have played for years. That is some tough competition there. Of course in time I'm sure it will be taken off its pedestal and replaced with something else. Will FF be able to do this? Time will tell. The devs can't really force this to happen unless they have a wad of cash and stuff it down CAL and CPL's throat *cough*bungie*cough*.

Circuitous · 12-13-2005, 11:11 PM

E-sports. Man I hate that word/phrase/thing.

I don't care if it gets to CPL and becomes the #1 online action game of all-time and awards millions of dollars in prize money and makes a couple of people really stupidly famous, just, for the love of God, abolish that fucking word.

o_sobe green · 12-14-2005, 12:42 AM

I agree. I hate the word "e-sports". I hate having a clan's skill measured by what division of cal they are in too. When it comes down to it the only real skill is at CPL. While I don't like CPL I do respect alot of the extremely good gamers that play there. Am I going to buy their 70$ mousepad because I respect them? Hell no. Am I going to watch each demo they play in to get better? Hell no.

I avoid all "e-sports" websites.

If FF does make it big in the competitive scene I surely hope we can retain the "gg guys" instead of "WTF HAX DISQUALIFY".

o_balls · 12-14-2005, 02:29 AM

come on now, CPL and 'Pro-Gaming' isnt that bad. Im all for it, and i dont know why you seem to think every gamer in these tournies go around shouting "HAX WTF" etc

o_kastofsna · 12-14-2005, 02:31 AM

i'd rather this mod get NO COMPARISONS at all to cs/css/whatever

o_sobe green · 12-14-2005, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balls

come on now, CPL and 'Pro-Gaming' isnt that bad. Im all for it, and i dont know why you seem to think every gamer in these tournies go around shouting "HAX WTF" etc

I didn't say that the guys at CPL done that. Read over my post again.

o_skanky butterpuss · 12-14-2005, 03:48 AM

i know nothing of cpl

as far as this game being compared to cs, thats like comparing vibrators to battery operated vaginas

(im laying the groundwork, someone come fancify)

Circuitous · 12-14-2005, 04:00 AM

They're only comparing the levels of competitive play, nothing else.

o_skanky butterpuss · 12-14-2005, 04:08 AM

that wasnt exactly the fancification i expected, but i will allow it for this exercise.

o_dragonjojo · 12-14-2005, 04:46 AM

Events like CPL and stuff are really commercial. So if the masses take to FF then yeah it'd happen.

I think it'd be pretty cool if it happened. I think higher tier gameplay would be super fun to watch and would require a great deal of teamwork and those are two things I think spectators look for.

o_vorm · 12-14-2005, 09:29 AM

Can we get Teleporters in CS?

o_guru.be · 12-14-2005, 10:22 AM

TFC gameplay ousts CS 1.5 and 1.6 (I like the game too though) !

Its like soccer/football compared to skateboarding. Everybody knows how to put his foot against a ball!! (= bang bang headshot CS).

TFC is like skateboarding, much more technical (skimming, sharking, gliding, strafe jumping, "ramping")

. That's exactly why I love TFC, 'cuz of the "battles".

Kinda weird comparison. But still.

Err, okay now start the flame(ing)

Of course Team Fortress Forever should be incorporated in pro-payed online gaming!

Precisely, the masses...

Number of current CS 1.6 servers: 8000? dunno
Number of current TFC 1.6 servers: 450?

E-sports? Amerikaka

No, seriously, I know E3. Belgian TV show reports it annually.

o_anshinritsumai · 12-14-2005, 04:22 PM

I wouldn't really care if FF got into a "professional" gaming league. The game is to have fun, not to show off who has better communication among team members. That's all it takes in TFC to have a solid offense and defense anyway, communication.

If FF went mainstream, we'd see the end of pubs and clan servers would dominate. They do in a way now as it is, but the ratio would be worse than ever. Everyone would be making clans left and right; scrimmages would be challenged north, south, east, and west.

The one and only real thing I fear from FF going into a "professional" league, is that it could lead to the death of the game in terms of it's ability to pub. TFC players are fun and respectable to play with, even people in leagues are helpful to newbs; but once it gets into CAL/CPL, we're going to have the attitude of CS players that are anti-newb.

o_guru.be · 12-14-2005, 04:34 PM

Great observation.

o_sobe green · 12-14-2005, 04:56 PM

lol @ people who keep comparing TFC and CS gameplay

o_redux · 12-14-2005, 05:11 PM

its like comparing apples(Team Fortress) to elephant dung(CounterStrike)...

12-13-2005, 07:47 PM	#4
trepid_jesse Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I would delete your post for you, but I'm just a lowly dev member and not a super forum leader. There's a conspiracy. Hey su'pa, why don't ya use your su'pa pow'as? __________________ Support FF: Trepid, what?

12-13-2005, 11:11 PM	#6
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	E-sports. Man I hate that word/phrase/thing. I don't care if it gets to CPL and becomes the #1 online action game of all-time and awards millions of dollars in prize money and makes a couple of people really stupidly famous, just, for the love of God, abolish that fucking word. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

12-14-2005, 04:00 AM	#12
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	They're only comparing the levels of competitive play, nothing else. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

12-13-2005, 07:02 PM	#1
o_valor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	FF compared to cs 1.6 or CSS. I played TFC for quite awhile and I also got competively involved with CS 1.6. I was wondering if FF will rise to the level of what CS 1.6 is now. This being international play at CPL's and in leagues that require a buy-in to play. I've always wanted TFC to be like CS in the way that you can make some money playing it at the highest level. E-sports has evolved and I want to know if FF is determined to jump back up to HL's staple game. <3 valor

12-13-2005, 07:29 PM	#2
o_mescalito Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Israel Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	what the FF team got to do with it? they'r just makin a mod. try the CPL forums.

12-13-2005, 07:40 PM	#3
o_sid6.7 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TFC was at some CPLs, but unless something dramatic happens games like CS and Halo will always be the main draw. The only way I see it happening is if the mod turns out absolutely amazing, Valve buys it and advertises the shit out of it (like they did CS), and alot of people fall in love with the gameplay TF players have known for years.

12-13-2005, 07:48 PM	#5
o_sobe green Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It is very possible. The problem is few games are so simple yet fun. All of these new games come out that require 10+ people per team in order for it to be "fun". It becomes alot harder for people to play a game online when they need 10 or so people all online at once. It will work well on LAN so at CPL they are able to do this. CS 1.6 and CS:S are so simple in gameplay that it does become easy to play them online and on LAN. You have one game type that is generally played on maps that people have played for years. That is some tough competition there. Of course in time I'm sure it will be taken off its pedestal and replaced with something else. Will FF be able to do this? Time will tell. The devs can't really force this to happen unless they have a wad of cash and stuff it down CAL and CPL's throat coughbungiecough.

12-14-2005, 12:42 AM	#7
o_sobe green Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I agree. I hate the word "e-sports". I hate having a clan's skill measured by what division of cal they are in too. When it comes down to it the only real skill is at CPL. While I don't like CPL I do respect alot of the extremely good gamers that play there. Am I going to buy their 70$ mousepad because I respect them? Hell no. Am I going to watch each demo they play in to get better? Hell no. I avoid all "e-sports" websites. If FF does make it big in the competitive scene I surely hope we can retain the "gg guys" instead of "WTF HAX DISQUALIFY".

12-14-2005, 02:29 AM	#8
o_balls Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	come on now, CPL and 'Pro-Gaming' isnt that bad. Im all for it, and i dont know why you seem to think every gamer in these tournies go around shouting "HAX WTF" etc

12-14-2005, 02:31 AM	#9
o_kastofsna Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i'd rather this mod get NO COMPARISONS at all to cs/css/whatever

12-14-2005, 03:48 AM	#11
o_skanky butterpuss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampon, FL Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i know nothing of cpl as far as this game being compared to cs, thats like comparing vibrators to battery operated vaginas (im laying the groundwork, someone come fancify)

12-14-2005, 04:08 AM	#13
o_skanky butterpuss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampon, FL Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	that wasnt exactly the fancification i expected, but i will allow it for this exercise.

12-14-2005, 04:46 AM	#14
o_dragonjojo Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Events like CPL and stuff are really commercial. So if the masses take to FF then yeah it'd happen. I think it'd be pretty cool if it happened. I think higher tier gameplay would be super fun to watch and would require a great deal of teamwork and those are two things I think spectators look for.

12-14-2005, 09:29 AM	#15
o_vorm Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: E. Yorks - UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Can we get Teleporters in CS?

12-14-2005, 10:22 AM	#16
o_guru.be Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium, West-Flanders Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TFC gameplay ousts CS 1.5 and 1.6 (I like the game too though) ! Its like soccer/football compared to skateboarding. Everybody knows how to put his foot against a ball!! (= bang bang headshot CS). TFC is like skateboarding, much more technical (skimming, sharking, gliding, strafe jumping, "ramping") . That's exactly why I love TFC, 'cuz of the "battles". Kinda weird comparison. But still. Err, okay now start the flame(ing) Of course Team Fortress Forever should be incorporated in pro-payed online gaming! Precisely, the masses... Number of current CS 1.6 servers: 8000? dunno Number of current TFC 1.6 servers: 450? E-sports? Amerikaka No, seriously, I know E3. Belgian TV show reports it annually.

12-14-2005, 04:22 PM	#17
o_anshinritsumai Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Diego Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I wouldn't really care if FF got into a "professional" gaming league. The game is to have fun, not to show off who has better communication among team members. That's all it takes in TFC to have a solid offense and defense anyway, communication. If FF went mainstream, we'd see the end of pubs and clan servers would dominate. They do in a way now as it is, but the ratio would be worse than ever. Everyone would be making clans left and right; scrimmages would be challenged north, south, east, and west. The one and only real thing I fear from FF going into a "professional" league, is that it could lead to the death of the game in terms of it's ability to pub. TFC players are fun and respectable to play with, even people in leagues are helpful to newbs; but once it gets into CAL/CPL, we're going to have the attitude of CS players that are anti-newb.

12-14-2005, 04:34 PM	#18
o_guru.be Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium, West-Flanders Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Great observation.

12-14-2005, 04:56 PM	#19
o_sobe green Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	lol @ people who keep comparing TFC and CS gameplay

12-14-2005, 05:11 PM	#20
o_redux Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texarkana, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	its like comparing apples(Team Fortress) to elephant dung(CounterStrike)...

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