Pub play.

[KubeDawg]

We need an official FF Pub server and an official FF Private server, but don't name the servers: OFFICIAL FF SERVER

Name it something cool like:

Fortress Forever Pussy Fart Public House

or something like that.

Something with RTV, a good map rotation/selection and friendly admins.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

We need an official FF Pub server and an official FF Private server, but don't name the servers: OFFICIAL FF SERVER

Name it something cool like:

Fortress Forever Pussy Fart Public House

or something like that.

Something with RTV, a good map rotation/selection and friendly admins.

Except for the silly name you suggested, OT has all that. Though yes an "Official FF server" would be nice. But it would have to have rules. Why? Because if someone new joined the server and they get greeted with racist crap spewing out of some one, its not putting the game in a very good light now is it? Its one of the reasons why I kept telling the admins and mods here that they shouldn't allow the racist crap and swearing to happen in the more public parts of the forums.

I know how to run a forums long term, keep people interested and the majority happy and thats rules that are enforced. I've helped run a forum for a game that over 10 years old now. We are the ones keeping the game going, as we are now the official caretakers of it and have been doing updates for it for 9 or 10 years now.

You want to look like a bunch of 8 year olds, trying to impress one another, then go a head and swear and spew racist crap. You might get a few more people to join, but you'll drive off far more people.

But if you want to look grown up and respectable and get more people to join the forums and the game then you'll drop the racist crap and swearing.

Ever consider thats why there are not more players? Because people got driven off by all the racist crap and swearing? You look at any professional developers website/forums and you will not see any racist crap or swearing or nudity or anything like that allowed.

Most of the best/still active servers for different games all have rules against racist crap, swearing and stuff like that.

[KubeDawg]

Single rule required: Don't be a douche.

[AfterShock]

I think really the problem is that there's not any servers in the middle. OT can be viewed as a little overly strict, and other servers can be viewed as not strict enough - you're right, gwars, other servers have no rules at all, so people can act like idiots. (and even admins have been known to act like idiots).

Personally, I don't want to see disgusting sprays, or have people being racist, but I don't mind the odd swear word or someone getting on top of the map for fun. For people like me there's no server in the middle and if I play on OT i'm pretty much guaranteed to get banned purely down to me accidentally swearing a few times.

I guess that's one thing that attracts me to pickups, you know for a fact that players aren't going to act like idiots, or they get banned. On the flipside you aren't going to get banned for a few swear words.

In an ideal world we'd have a range of servers with active admins and varying levels of rules but unfortunately the community is simply not big enough to support that right now. We have servers towards the two ends of the spectrum with nothing in the middle. For the majority of people that's unfortunate, but something we have to live with.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Single rule required: Don't be a douche.

The problem with a single rule is that people have different ideas what being a "douche" is. Some people think its just not cheating. Some people think its just not swearing. Some people think its just not being racist.

This is why just having 1 single rule doesn't work. Also the fact that even when you have only a few very general rules, there will always be idiots that try to get around it.

I've seen people try to argue that they should be allowed to use the nword because they are black. I've seen people try to argue that because its so common, they should be allowed to use gay as an insult. I've seen people say they should be allowed to say "fuk u" because its not covered by the swear filter.

Originally Posted by AfterShock

I think really the problem is that there's not any servers in the middle. OT can be viewed as a little overly strict, and other servers can be viewed as not strict enough - you're right, gwars, other servers have no rules at all, so people can act like idiots. (and even admins have been known to act like idiots).

Personally, I don't want to see disgusting sprays, or have people being racist, but I don't mind the odd swear word or someone getting on top of the map for fun. For people like me there's no server in the middle and if I play on OT i'm pretty much guaranteed to get banned purely down to me accidentally swearing a few times.

I guess that's one thing that attracts me to pickups, you know for a fact that players aren't going to act like idiots, or they get banned. On the flipside you aren't going to get banned for a few swear words.

In an ideal world we'd have a range of servers with active admins and varying levels of rules but unfortunately the community is simply not big enough to support that right now. We have servers towards the two ends of the spectrum with nothing in the middle. For the majority of people that's unfortunate, but something we have to live with.

You are totally right, I also wish there was a range of servers, but even you say that the OT server is only a little overly strict and I agree though its mainly due to how the swear filter was programmed. (there should be a white list of ok words)

The biggest problem I see, are people here on these forums that try to blame OT for the downfall of the community. They make up lies saying they got banned for no reason at all or got banned after only swearing once, and other stuff like that... and what happens? For a long time, no admins/mods here did anything. They didn't try to correct anything even though they knew the truth.

What should have been done is as soon as an admin/mod became aware of the post, they should have countered it with actual facts and then close the thread. Or at the very least, they should have countered it with the facts.

Fact, you don't get banned for no reason.
Fact, you don't get banned for swearing just once.
Fact, you get many warnings before you are temp banned for 30 minutes.
Fact, you will get banned for longer if you come back and continue swearing after your 30 ban is up.
Fact, you will get banned for good for racist words even if its the first time you say it.
Fact, even after getting banned, you can still get unbanned.
Fact, even with a perma ban for racist words, there is still a possibility to get unbanned. (specially if it was accidental)
Fact, even after getting banned a few times, there is still a possibility to get unbanned.

To get unbanned you have to talk to them on their forums.


For a while I was the only one on here trying to defend them and connect the false information that was being presented, mainly because the OT people got tired of doing it.

Again things have changed slightly, though they could still be better. The correct information would hold more water if it was from an admin or mod of these forums.

[Raynian]

Originally Posted by Gwarsbane

Fact, you don't get banned for no reason.

I've been banned for killing snipers enough times that they cry to the admins to get me removed from the server.

I mean, if you want to say that's a valid reason, sure.

But it's really not.

[Gwarsbane]

I really doubt that was the reason, if you were banned at all. Because I like hunting snipers all the time.