Why .zip? - Page 2

KubeDawg · 11-12-2007, 04:08 PM

Any zip file I receive, ever, gets extracted to my desktop into a new folder. Once it's been unzipped, I have a shortcut to my FF directory on my desktop, that way I don't have to to a bunch of clicking anytime I want to install maps and stuff. Then, I delete the zip file, and drag and drop the items into their correct place. Then I restart steam. Then I play new 1.1 dev of FF.

Not that difficult. I mean, who the fuck DOESN'T know how to use win zip? MY GRANDMOTHER knows how to use it...

CatzEyes93 · 11-12-2007, 04:14 PM

I would think it would be the opposite for us seasoned folks. We all know that trojans, keyloggers and other nasties are included in exe's out there on the web so as a general practice it is always best to avoid exe's.

We all know each other here and we know that ff is not gonna put a nasty in the exe, but a noob who has been banned for ultimatly using an exe to install what he thought was 'skins' is gonna be leary of using our exe's.

To proove my point, I downloaded and installed some halloween mod just last friday but I am scared shitless to play it cuz it was an exe instead of a zip. I am trying to trust, but I dont know if I can cuz I really do have a lot in my account and I dont know if I want to risk it.

zips are wiser I always say.

[AE] 82694 · 11-12-2007, 06:40 PM

There was a time not to long ago that person was me. My only suggestion is to include a readme file for the people who don't know.

Saint Thoth · 11-12-2007, 07:09 PM

As it is in real life, so it is on the internet:

Always bet on human stupidity, you will always win.

I sadly, know lots of gamers who can't make heads nor tails of a zip file, can't copy and paste files, and lots (LOTS) of gamers who can't find their Steam folder (hell, if I had a nickel for every time I’ve seen that support request – I’d buy Valve.) Plus very often n00bs will install stupid little things that unassociated their ZIP files. (And I'm willing to bet 80% of the forum goers here don't know how to re-associate their ZIP files, off hand, without downloading third party software)

Not all of these folks are retarded – they just often happen to be Console game players, Mac users, Vista users, etc. Not l337 like most of us people who can use forums and stuff.

I'm telling ya, when we got an exec installer for (mod I shall not name as per forum rules), we doubled our clientele, and frankly, as I suggested earlier, the computer literate folks tend to be even bigger asses than the computer illiterate folks, so it's a good way to add to the populous, rapidly.

Exec is smaller, kinder to server bandwidth, easier to use, and universal. There's no reason not to make em.

CatzEyes93 · 11-12-2007, 07:37 PM

Is there a reason to not have both?

Dr.Satan · 11-12-2007, 07:48 PM

I too have a shortcut to my steam folder on my desktop...easy access and less clicking.

Also have to agree with catz I totally don't trust any .exe unless i'm really really sure who it's from.

Also what is so hard about using CoruS? It's free, easy and auto updates for future patches (1.1.1???) plus with Skyrider surfing the forums and uploading all sorts of fun stuff on there...(custom maps) it's almost insane not to have it!

KubeDawg · 11-12-2007, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatzEyes93

Is there a reason to not have both?

QFT

leilei · 11-13-2007, 11:59 AM

Installers are usually dumb and attempt to extract to a temp folder first then finally moving to the final destination taking up 2x more space than necessary. Dumb.

Camphlobactor · 11-13-2007, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Satan

I too have a shortcut to my steam folder on my desktop...easy access and less clicking.

Also have to agree with catz I totally don't trust any .exe unless i'm really really sure who it's from.

Also what is so hard about using CoruS? It's free, easy and auto updates for future patches (1.1.1???) plus with Skyrider surfing the forums and uploading all sorts of fun stuff on there...(custom maps) it's almost insane not to have it!

It's the same reason why I still prefer .zips. Other than not being able to see what files are changed, I hate the idea of having another game manager just for a mod of another game. I'm not the most tech savvy around, but .zips make the most sense.

Dr.Satan · 11-13-2007, 03:12 PM

Yeah I definitely agree that it needs some sort of tracking so I can view what files have been extracted...that would definitely be nice...other then that tho I really think it's a great program.

Rider_55 · 11-14-2007, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Satan

Also what is so hard about using CoruS? It's free, easy and auto updates for future patches (1.1.1???) plus with Skyrider surfing the forums and uploading all sorts of fun stuff on there...(custom maps) it's almost insane not to have it!

There are those less fortunate among us, myself included, who do not have access to broadband at or gaming location. Downloading patches over 56k at home sucks compared to DLing at work from a pair of dedicated t-1 lines.

Please do not go exclusively to an autopatch system. zip or exe either one but don't make us wait to play like Steam does.

leilei · 11-14-2007, 08:21 AM

crosus isn't a linux thing either.

**mervaka** · 11-14-2007, 11:50 AM

..but surely if you can use linux command line then you can figure out how to extract archives..

asdaa · 11-14-2007, 07:35 PM

Seriously, how hard is it to unzip?!

**mervaka** · 11-14-2007, 08:04 PM

i think in short, if you dont know what you're doing when extracting zip files, use crosus. it does all the hard work for you. the next update is aparently going to appear in the form of a .zip file and as a crosus update. this isn't the final word, but more or less what's going to happen.

11-12-2007, 04:08 PM	#21
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Any zip file I receive, ever, gets extracted to my desktop into a new folder. Once it's been unzipped, I have a shortcut to my FF directory on my desktop, that way I don't have to to a bunch of clicking anytime I want to install maps and stuff. Then, I delete the zip file, and drag and drop the items into their correct place. Then I restart steam. Then I play new 1.1 dev of FF. Not that difficult. I mean, who the fuck DOESN'T know how to use win zip? MY GRANDMOTHER knows how to use it... __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

11-12-2007, 04:14 PM	#22
CatzEyes93 Black Mesa Voice Actor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I would think it would be the opposite for us seasoned folks. We all know that trojans, keyloggers and other nasties are included in exe's out there on the web so as a general practice it is always best to avoid exe's. We all know each other here and we know that ff is not gonna put a nasty in the exe, but a noob who has been banned for ultimatly using an exe to install what he thought was 'skins' is gonna be leary of using our exe's. To proove my point, I downloaded and installed some halloween mod just last friday but I am scared shitless to play it cuz it was an exe instead of a zip. I am trying to trust, but I dont know if I can cuz I really do have a lot in my account and I dont know if I want to risk it. zips are wiser I always say. __________________ ___________________ Random Thoughts Only CatzEyes93.com

11-12-2007, 06:40 PM	#23
[AE] 82694 Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There was a time not to long ago that person was me. My only suggestion is to include a readme file for the people who don't know. __________________ I Love GenghisTron . I miss you sooooo Much. LOL.

11-12-2007, 07:37 PM	#25
CatzEyes93 Black Mesa Voice Actor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Is there a reason to not have both? __________________ ___________________ Random Thoughts Only CatzEyes93.com

11-12-2007, 07:48 PM	#26
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	I too have a shortcut to my steam folder on my desktop...easy access and less clicking. Also have to agree with catz I totally don't trust any .exe unless i'm really really sure who it's from. Also what is so hard about using CoruS? It's free, easy and auto updates for future patches (1.1.1???) plus with Skyrider surfing the forums and uploading all sorts of fun stuff on there...(custom maps) it's almost insane not to have it! __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

11-12-2007, 07:09 PM	#24
Saint Thoth Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	As it is in real life, so it is on the internet: Always bet on human stupidity, you will always win. I sadly, know lots of gamers who can't make heads nor tails of a zip file, can't copy and paste files, and lots (LOTS) of gamers who can't find their Steam folder (hell, if I had a nickel for every time I’ve seen that support request – I’d buy Valve.) Plus very often n00bs will install stupid little things that unassociated their ZIP files. (And I'm willing to bet 80% of the forum goers here don't know how to re-associate their ZIP files, off hand, without downloading third party software) Not all of these folks are retarded – they just often happen to be Console game players, Mac users, Vista users, etc. Not l337 like most of us people who can use forums and stuff. I'm telling ya, when we got an exec installer for (mod I shall not name as per forum rules), we doubled our clientele, and frankly, as I suggested earlier, the computer literate folks tend to be even bigger asses than the computer illiterate folks, so it's a good way to add to the populous, rapidly. Exec is smaller, kinder to server bandwidth, easier to use, and universal. There's no reason not to make em.

11-13-2007, 11:59 AM	#28
leilei o^_^o Join Date: Nov 2007 Class/Position: O Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Installers are usually dumb and attempt to extract to a temp folder first then finally moving to the final destination taking up 2x more space than necessary. Dumb.

11-13-2007, 03:12 PM	#30
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	Yeah I definitely agree that it needs some sort of tracking so I can view what files have been extracted...that would definitely be nice...other then that tho I really think it's a great program. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

11-14-2007, 08:21 AM	#32
leilei o^_^o Join Date: Nov 2007 Class/Position: O Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	crosus isn't a linux thing either.

11-14-2007, 11:50 AM	#33
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	..but surely if you can use linux command line then you can figure out how to extract archives.. __________________ Support FF:

11-14-2007, 07:35 PM	#34
asdaa Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Seriously, how hard is it to unzip?!

11-14-2007, 08:04 PM	#35
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	i think in short, if you dont know what you're doing when extracting zip files, use crosus. it does all the hard work for you. the next update is aparently going to appear in the form of a .zip file and as a crosus update. this isn't the final word, but more or less what's going to happen. __________________ Support FF:

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)