The Official 'Whine About Valve/Steam' Thread

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

wow. I really never played a game that is this fun, i really havent. Sure, games such as HL2 were fun, but were more in-depth in story, and other things. But L4D is just.... Fun.

im speechless.

All i gotta say is...

Valve. Fucking. Rocks.

Except for the last word, you've got that right.

Never, ever say that valve rocks. They break too much shit to claim to "rock".

[greenday5494]

except for butthurt TF2 haters, they fix what they break

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

except for butthurt TF2 haters, they fix what they break

They broke some serious shit in TFC.... and I'm not just talking about the addition of teleporters.

As for TF2 haters.... I'm hoping you didn't mean me. My main beef with the game, to put it bluntly, is that it's called a Fortress Game when it's not.

{shrug}

Oh, if anyone get's a Pass for this game.... how about sending it my way? I only got 5 minutes of playtime before it wouldn't let me play the demo anymore.... and I can't afford the game yet. (I'm seriously strapped for cash right now).

[greenday5494]

Originally Posted by Iggy

They broke some serious shit in TFC.... and I'm not just talking about the addition of teleporters.

As for TF2 haters.... I'm hoping you didn't mean me. My main beef with the game, to put it bluntly, is that it's called a Fortress Game when it's not.

{shrug}

Oh, if anyone get's a Pass for this game.... how about sending it my way? I only got 5 minutes of playtime before it wouldn't let me play the demo anymore.... and I can't afford the game yet. (I'm seriously strapped for cash right now).

no, i didnt mean you. i just meant in general

and it's been over 5 years since the teles were added, correct?

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

no, i didnt mean you. i just meant in general

and it's been over 5 years since the teles were added, correct?

Yes, and somewhere in there, some maps got broken too.

Rock2 - you can die in the gas chamber after capping. Suits do not always save you either. This was not the case before the Steam conversion.

Crossover2 - Sometimes(most times, actually), detpacks will not break the wall to one yard or the other(sometimes both, but usually just one). No matter how many attempts, nor which team tries to blow it.

Those are the two I can remember off the top of my head... I know there are others.

So, Steam does NOT "rock"..... they are like a kid with ADD.... they break shit, and don't bother to fix it.
"we got your money, now get the fuck out."

[greenday5494]

well, they arent like "we got your money" That's EA. If you didnt like them, you wouldnt be playing on their engines now would ya?

[Credge]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

well, they arent like "we got your money" That's EA. If you didnt like them, you wouldnt be playing on their engines now would ya?

Poor logic.

I don't like Sony, but I like High Definition movies. Coincidentally, buying any Bluray results in buying a Sony product.

You can like something that someone else created without liking that someone.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

well, they arent like "we got your money" That's EA. If you didnt like them, you wouldnt be playing on their engines now would ya?

What Credge said. Plus, I didn't say the games were crap.... just broken. I still play HL1, Blue Shift, Opposing Force, and TFC. Engine is good, but somewhere along the lines, some things got broken.... but it's "too old" for them to bother fixing. I say that's a pretty shabby way to do business.

Also, if you have OpForce, try playing it offline. You can't, unless you have the original CD. Which, chances are, that won't work on the newer OS's(though that's not Valve's fault... but needing to try it IS.)

I have computers that are older than most people on this forum, and I still use them.... to play games. They still work, the company that made them didn't break anything post purchase. The only thing I have to worry about, is the disks corrupting. My cartridge based game systems don't have that problem, and I have games that are 30 years old.

[Demasu]

Originally Posted by Iggy

What Credge said. Plus, I didn't say the games were crap.... just broken. I still play HL1, Blue Shift, Opposing Force, and TFC. Engine is good, but somewhere along the lines, some things got broken.... but it's "too old" for them to bother fixing. I say that's a pretty shabby way to do business.

I wouldn't really say it's a shabby way to do business, if they were just now noticing what was broken. Yes, they should've been looked into earlier, but now, it's probably not cost effective in the slightest to warrant going back and fixing them. But I do agree with you. Someone should email the tfc people and ask them to fix it. Surely they have some free time.

[greenday5494]

Originally Posted by Iggy

What Credge said. Plus, I didn't say the games were crap.... just broken. I still play HL1, Blue Shift, Opposing Force, and TFC. Engine is good, but somewhere along the lines, some things got broken.... but it's "too old" for them to bother fixing. I say that's a pretty shabby way to do business.

Also, if you have OpForce, try playing it offline. You can't, unless you have the original CD. Which, chances are, that won't work on the newer OS's(though that's not Valve's fault... but needing to try it IS.)

I have computers that are older than most people on this forum, and I still use them.... to play games. They still work, the company that made them didn't break anything post purchase. The only thing I have to worry about, is the disks corrupting. My cartridge based game systems don't have that problem, and I have games that are 30 years old.

Steam is better than other shitty anti-piracy, like securom and starforce. it isnt 100 percent perfect, but you're on the internet now, arent you?

[greenday5494]

Originally Posted by Demasu

I wouldn't really say it's a shabby way to do business, if they were just now noticing what was broken. Yes, they should've been looked into earlier, but now, it's probably not cost effective in the slightest to warrant going back and fixing them. But I do agree with you. Someone should email the tfc people and ask them to fix it. Surely they have some free time.

the TFC people (Robin Walker and John Cook) are the lead designers on TF2, and Robin was ahead of EP1. All of valve's people are not really assigned to one thing permanently, they all work together. For example, everyone in the office, including the TF2 people, were pulled in to help with L4D

[Credge]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

Steam is better than other shitty anti-piracy, like securom and starforce. it isnt 100 percent perfect, but you're on the internet now, arent you?

I don't understand what Steam has to do with playing games offline.

Securom is still packed on to third party Steam games. It's mainly used as a distribution method for third party companies.

I also don't understand what Steam has to do with the internet or how Valve doesn't like to update old games.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

Steam is better than other shitty anti-piracy, like securom and starforce. it isnt 100 percent perfect, but you're on the internet now, arent you?

Anti-piracy never has worked, and never will.

[Demasu]

Originally Posted by greenday5494

the TFC people (Robin Walker and John Cook) are the lead designers on TF2, and Robin was ahead of EP1. All of valve's people are not really assigned to one thing permanently, they all work together. For example, everyone in the office, including the TF2 people, were pulled in to help with L4D

I'm fully aware of that. But you'd think they'd have some free time that they could play with the TFC code for a little bit. Or pawn it off on ebay or something.

[GeoKill----->]

Or released the source code for TFC

[Demasu]

Originally Posted by GeoKill----->

Or released the source code for TFC

Something along those lines.

[Mooga]

Valve DOES care about it's games. While the older games are not frequently updated, the new games are.

And for the most part, the old games are generally stable, even though I can't get HL1 running on my system.

Compare this to EA which has a bad reputation of not patching things. Or EA which doesn't care about it's customers as long as it has it's money.

I know a lot of you hate TF2, but TF2 has had TONS of updates, not to mention the 3 big ones which most companies would now charge you for.

They plan to also release these free updates for L4D.

Now don't get me wrong, Valve isn't perfect. If you've ever tried to work with their servers at zero-hour you'd know. It took them several hours to release an update for the L4D windows servers so they would RUN. With TF2 they would often release a patch that would fix one thing and break 3 others. So they would release a second patch two days later to fix everything they broke.

While this sucks... it's better then no patches at all.

[Iggy]

Split the thread, so the L4D thread can get back on topic. Continue this discussion.

[GeoKill----->]

Nice

[Paft]

Originally Posted by Iggy

Yes, and somewhere in there, some maps got broken too.

Rock2 - you can die in the gas chamber after capping. Suits do not always save you either. This was not the case before the Steam conversion.

Crossover2 - Sometimes(most times, actually), detpacks will not break the wall to one yard or the other(sometimes both, but usually just one). No matter how many attempts, nor which team tries to blow it.

Those are the two I can remember off the top of my head... I know there are others.

So, Steam does NOT "rock"..... they are like a kid with ADD.... they break shit, and don't bother to fix it.
"we got your money, now get the fuck out."

Not whining but I'll add blurred dulled hard to see crosshairs to that.

This Steam issue is bothering me atm:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...d.php?t=752858